Bad terrain link affecting PBEM

[Jagger]

Another bad rail link from Humphreys, Tn to Davidson, Tn. This is a bad one.

In a PBEM, I am trying to rush Grant with 2 divisions from Fort Donelson to Nashville where a major, very close battle is occuring. Unfortunately, Grant is being routed from Clarksville to Gallatin to Nashville instead of directly from Fort Donelson to Nashville. What should take 2 days, is taking 4 days!!!! And that very well may be the difference between victory and defeat.

What lines do we need to change in the region files to correct bad rail links? I don't know how to read much of those region files.

[Jabberwock]

Another bad rail link from Humphreys, Tn to Davidson, Tn. This is a bad one.

In a PBEM, I am trying to rush Grant with 2 divisions from Fort Donelson to Nashville where a major, very close battle is occuring. Unfortunately, Grant is being routed from Clarksville to Gallatin to Nashville instead of directly from Fort Donelson to Nashville. What should take 2 days, is taking 4 days!!!! And that very well may be the difference between victory and defeat.

What lines do we need to change in the region files to correct bad rail links? I don't know how to read much of those region files.

I'm suprised at this one, so I went back and looked. The rail line between Humphreys and Davidson is definitely on the map. However, it has not been functioning since at least 1.03. The adjacency works, just not the rail. I would check with your opponent before adding it. If you both decide it is a good idea: add 'TransLink2 = 1488|1' to580Davidson.rgn and 'TransLink2 = 580|1' to 1488Humphreys.rgn

[Pdubya64]

I'm suprised at this one, so I went back and looked. The rail line between Humphreys and Davidson is definitely on the map. However, it has not been functioning since at least 1.03. The adjacency works, just not the rail. I would check with your opponent before adding it. If you both decide it is a good idea: add 'TransLink2 = 1488|1' to580Davidson.rgn and 'TransLink2 = 580|1' to 1488Humphreys.rgn

Thanks Jabberwock, I was wondering about why Nashville troops always went north of the river to get to Ft Donelson! Fixed.

[Jagger]

Thanks, Jabberwocky.

Here is another bad one but not a rail link. Moving from Pendleton, West Virginia to Summers, West Virginia was routed through Susquehanna, Pa.

[Jagger]

Has anyone posted a mod yet with corrected regions for know bad links?

[Jabberwock]

Here. It is not finalized with regards to river crossings.

[Jabberwock]

Thanks, Jabberwocky.

Here is another bad one but not a rail link. Moving from Pendleton, West Virginia to Summers, West Virginia was routed through Susquehanna, Pa.

Here is the fix.

[Jagger]

Great job! Many thanks!

[Hobbes]

Thanks again Jab!

[Jagger]

Here are two fixes for rail-links.

First zip is the fix for the Humphreys to Davidson Tn railroad link.

I am curious about the railroad between Wetzel, West Virginia and Taylor, West Virginia. Graphically, a railroad is shown crossing the river from Wetzel into Taylor. Although the rails don't go all the way to the city of Grafton within Taylor. So should this be a rail-link or not. Graphically, the railroad should negate the river penalty but not certain if it should be considered a complete part of the railroad network as it doesn't actually connect to other railroads within Taylor.

Although I would think it should be a full rail link. In many other regions, units can move between disconnected railroads within a region without penalty. I would think Grafton should be the same unless there is a good reason otherwise.

If you feel there should be a rail-link between Wetzel and Taylor, the second zip is a fix for that link. If there is a good reason why there shouldn't be a link, let me know and I will remove the Wetzel-Taylor file.

[Jabberwock]

Jagger gets a new little green box.

[PBBoeye]

Here are some corrected names for regions. Corrections made to displayed name only - not file name (which would cause more headaches than it is worth).

Had no other place to drop them at the moment.

QUESTION: how are you checking rail links, or finding them broken?

[WhoCares]

Here are some corrected names for regions. Corrections made to displayed name only - not file name (which would cause more headaches than it is worth).

Had no other place to drop them at the moment.

QUESTION: how are you checking rail links, or finding them broken?

Are these based on the latest (fixed) files for those regions? I checked and at least for Som(m)erset, I seem to have a different file including a line [color="Blue"]Adjacency24 = 98[/color] which is not in your version.

[PBBoeye]

I think we have too many files running around. Whatever one had Somerset in it, I did not get. I thought I had collected all of them, but must have missed a few.

Somehow we need to condense this into one or two files. And one thread.

[Jagger]

We definitely need one file in one location with all region corrections. Anyone willing to start a thread and create a zipped file with all corrected region? And then willing to update as new errors are found? Sadly my time is lacking right now.

I find errors as I am playing. When I try to move someone and they take a weird route, I know an error exists in the region file.

In BOA, there were perhaps 30-35 regions in which graphics didn't match the data files of the regions. They were easy to spot by simply looking at the graphics of the regions and comparing them to the tooltip information. I haven't had the time to check for accuracy in ACW.

[Pocus]

give us this list of odd or missing links too. thanks.

[WhoCares]

There are at least two more threads with links to fixes of region links:
Missing Region Links (thread by Hobbes)
River Ironclad Blockade value and bad Rail Link (above Jabberwock already linked to his post in that thread); PeterD used a Java script to parse for inconsistencies.

[Jagger]

I just tried to move some ships from Western Branch river to White Lake just west of Baton Rouge, La. I wasn't able to make the move.

Is anyone aware of any reason why the Western Branch river should not connect to White Lake? Graphically the two connect without obstacles.

So if there are no objections, here are the fixed files.

[PBBoeye]

I think I've spotted another issue.

The harbor in Westmoreland, VA (just east of Fredericksburg) has exit points to three areas - the Potomac Mouth, Potomac Estuary, and the Rappahannock Estuary.

I question the ability of such a port to access the Rappahannock. I could be wrong, but that would have to be one thiiiiiin stretch of land for that harbor.

[PBBoeye]

Confirmed.

From Westmoreland County's website:

"Established in 1706, Kinsale is the oldest port on the Virginia side of the Potomac."

Kinsale (in Westmoreland, VA) has NO access to the Rappahannock, so that exit point for fleets should be terminated.

[Jabberwock]

I just tried to move some ships from Western Branch river to White Lake just west of Baton Rouge, La. I wasn't able to make the move.

Is anyone aware of any reason why the Western Branch river should not connect to White Lake? Graphically the two connect without obstacles.

So if there are no objections, here are the fixed files.

The Atchafalaya River (a.k.a. Western Branch) was only occasionally navigable during the civil war. It was narrow and brush-choked, dependent on water level and other weather factors. In the game, the passage runs through Pierre, LA. Whether that is intentional or not, I think that it is a logical solution. It slows down transit, if only by a day or two, and requires control of at least one river bank.

[Jagger]

At the bottom is a zip with a fix for the Rutherford to Hickman to Maury Tn broken railroad link.

The Atchafalaya River (a.k.a. Western Branch) was only occasionally navigable during the civil war. It was narrow and brush-choked, dependent on water level and other weather factors. In the game, the passage runs through Pierre, LA. Whether that is intentional or not, I think that it is a logical solution. It slows down transit, if only by a day or two, and requires control of at least one river bank.

How much is "occasionally" navigable? Was it only blocked during low water?
Or was it navigable only during high water?

As it is now, it is completely unnavigable which isn't acceptable if it was only occasionally unnavigable. I suspect several rivers which are currently modeled as navigable would be unnavigable during low water conditions.

In addition, if it is unnavigable, the graphics should reflect non-traversable. It is very confusing to clearly see a continuous river and not be able to travel along that river.

I know weather conditions will adjust the movement cost of ships. Unfortunately only high water conditions are modeled through the use of mud which reflects lots of rain. Currently there isn't a low water condition which could be used to slow or completely block the movement of ships.

[Pocus]

We will need someone willing to compile the information in a single file. So far Gray_lensman is doing a big job on his side for these things, so perhaps he can be the coordinator if he is willing?
Once done, this has to be forwarded to PhilThib: contact@ageod.com

[Hobbes]

Confirmed.

From Westmoreland County's website:

"Established in 1706, Kinsale is the oldest port on the Virginia side of the Potomac."

Kinsale (in Westmoreland, VA) has NO access to the Rappahannock, so that exit point for fleets should be terminated.

I think if you start looking closely at harbour exit points it may open a big can of worms. Most harbours seem to have far too many exits to me but maybe there is an abstraction involved here.

I am currently talking to Pocus about Wilmington as it has two coast exits but at the time should only have had one exit onto the Cape Fear river.

What I would really like to see is bombardment of a port only allowed if the bombarding ships are in the harbour exit region and also coastal forts being able to block supply. I think this would add far more accuracy to the game. It would then be worth a few of us going through (the major ports at least ) and reviewing the exit points.

Cheers, Chris

[Jabberwock]

I think if you start looking closely at harbour exit points it may open a big can of worms. Most harbours seem to have far too many exits to me but maybe there is an abstraction involved here.

I am currently talking to Pocus about Wilmington as it has two coast exits but at the time should only have had one exit onto the Cape Fear river.

Speaking of abstraction, did you read my post about Masonboro Inlet / Seagate? Sort of an alternative harbor in the same region, not within the city of Wilmington. It might affect your discussion, or not.

[PBBoeye]

I think if you start looking closely at harbour exit points it may open a big can of worms. Most harbours seem to have far too many exits to me but maybe there is an abstraction involved here.

I certainly can see how it could do that. However, in this case it is relevant in that it is stationed on either side (in the game) of two fairly significant rivers (Potomac & Rappahannock). I don't like the ability to slip out from one side when it didn't exist there.

I'm not sure how many harbors have multiple exit points like this, but I would think when it accesses to rivers, that significant from a strategic standpoint.

[Hobbes]

I certainly can see how it could do that. However, in this case it is relevant in that it is stationed on either side (in the game) of two fairly significant rivers (Potomac & Rappahannock). I don't like the ability to slip out from one side when it didn't exist there.

I'm not sure how many harbors have multiple exit points like this, but I would think when it accesses to rivers, that significant from a strategic standpoint.

Yes I agree, I think most harbours do have too many exits. I would like to make a harbour mod after reviewing as many as I can. I'm hoping to persuade Pocus to export a variable to be used in PBEM games to make this worthwhile and change bombardment to only work when the bombarding ships are in a harbour exit region.

At the moment it seems that the only reason forts do not stop ocean supply is because the AI can't handle it. It would be nice to see some options for PBEM players to override this as I think it would add a much more realistic slant to fort control.

Cheers, Chris

[Pocus]

Update again: Gray_Lensman is doing a lot of a work also, so I expect many problems to be solved in the upcoming weeks.

[PBBoeye]

I've got a TON of small changes to regions - mainly corrected region names and flag locations (visibility issues), most of them also being in the MD-VA-NC region right now.

However, I have addressed the Westmoreland harbor issue and I've attached the Westmoreland, VA region data file in the following zip:

[Jagger]

Here is a fix for the broken rail link between Montgomery, Indiana and Shelby, Indiana.