MengJiao
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Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:32 pm

Clovis wrote:I've made Astrakhan a secondary priority, because Bolsheviks can't defend all in June 18. So indeed the AI will consider first other points before considering Astrakhan can be garrisonned. In any case, Astrakhan isn't a great ressource center and you have to cross some deerts to come in from Kuban. Fine if you take the region, less if you're expected...


I've played the Bolishi about a dozen times in GC 1918-1919 (I rarely make it past 1919) and the AI has never attacked Astrakhan. I keep a garison there because it is a useful transit/evacuation point. Also as a Bolshi, i'm usually doing things to keep the AI busy elsewhere.

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Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:34 pm

MengJiao wrote:I've played the Bolishi about a dozen times in GC 1918-1919 (I rarely make it past 1919) and the AI has never attacked Astrakhan. I keep a garison there because it is a useful transit/evacuation point. Also as a Bolshi, i'm usually doing things to keep the AI busy elsewhere.


Fantastic. So Athena is just disobeying me to follow a better strategy :D


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Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:12 pm

Hohenlohe wrote:Thx caranorn for sharing your experience with us.
This kind of approach looks very promising for me.

greetings

Hohenlohe


This approach also largely worked...

My 1919 campaign was indeed successful destroying the major part of two bolshevik fronts (with my two armies composed of all together 8 infantry and 3-4 cavalry divisions) around Tsaritsin and also taking Saratov to the north before I decided it was too late in the season to continue my major offensive and instead took Astrakhan with one corps and sent another back to the Kuban to fight a green revolt...

Note, taking Astrakhan by campaign from Terek might be suicidal as it turned out. I tried this with one division accompagnied by 2 supply wagons. It took me two turns to get close to Astrakhan when the weather turned foul and attrition started to hit my force and particularly my supply. I then decided to reverse my steps but my entire force starved on the way home. Maybe without the wagons they'd have stood a better chance, but it seems like a gamble...
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Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:05 pm

caranorn wrote:This approach also largely worked...

My 1919 campaign was indeed successful destroying the major part of two bolshevik fronts (with my two armies composed of all together 8 infantry and 3-4 cavalry divisions) around Tsaritsin and also taking Saratov to the north before I decided it was too late in the season to continue my major offensive and instead took Astrakhan with one corps and sent another back to the Kuban to fight a green revolt...

Note, taking Astrakhan by campaign from Terek might be suicidal as it turned out. I tried this with one division accompagnied by 2 supply wagons. It took me two turns to get close to Astrakhan when the weather turned foul and attrition started to hit my force and particularly my supply. I then decided to reverse my steps but my entire force starved on the way home. Maybe without the wagons they'd have stood a better chance, but it seems like a gamble...


On the contrary, without the wagon they'd end up even worse in term of attrition, don't forget that supply wagons take attrition hits (5 for 1 I believe) instead of units with them...
Taking Astrakhan is a real tough challenge for the White because of all these Harsh Weather marshes.

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Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:37 pm

Alexor wrote:On the contrary, without the wagon they'd end up even worse in term of attrition, don't forget that supply wagons take attrition hits (5 for 1 I believe) instead of units with them...
Taking Astrakhan is a real tough challenge for the White because of all these Harsh Weather marshes.


I know, but maybe they could have gotten there ahead of the weather. But it'd still have been a gamble, which I don't like :-) ...
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Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:13 pm

caranorn wrote:I know, but maybe they could have gotten there ahead of the weather. But it'd still have been a gamble, which I don't like :-) ...


I think these swamp regions always have "harsh weather" on them...it's not a weather, it's more a swamp thing...same thing for desert regions

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Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:43 pm

caranorn wrote:This approach also largely worked...

My 1919 campaign was indeed successful destroying the major part of two bolshevik fronts (with my two armies composed of all together 8 infantry and 3-4 cavalry divisions) around Tsaritsin and also taking Saratov to the north before I decided it was too late in the season to continue my major offensive and instead took Astrakhan with one corps and sent another back to the Kuban to fight a green revolt...

Note, taking Astrakhan by campaign from Terek might be suicidal as it turned out. I tried this with one division accompagnied by 2 supply wagons. It took me two turns to get close to Astrakhan when the weather turned foul and attrition started to hit my force and particularly my supply. I then decided to reverse my steps but my entire force starved on the way home. Maybe without the wagons they'd have stood a better chance, but it seems like a gamble...


In my humble opinion Astrakhan simply isn't worth an attack in strength (especially not with a whole corps!). Never use infantry either - too slow.
Instead send a regiment of cavalry: either the red side has effecuated the city than you got the one conscript it produces for free or it still has a garnision than you retreat.
Leaving it unconquered doesn't really pose a threat: any counter-offensive with Astrakhan as a base faces the same swamps and harsh weather that killed your troops.
The only way to get to to Astrakhan safely is shipping the troops on the Volga. Unfortunately that is only an option for the Siberian - unless you get lucky and capture bits of the Red river fleet.

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Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:55 am

Do you guys just steamroll Ukraine when the time comes?

Also what's with the french army in Greece? I assumed I'd have to wait for Turkeys capitulation until the Bosporus gets free later on? But it's already early 1919!

And one more thing, the historic events to mark End of World War 1 were a bit sparse.

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GlobalExplorer wrote:Do you guys just steamroll Ukraine when the time comes?

Also what's with the french army in Greece? I assumed I'd have to wait for Turkeys capitulation until the Bosporus gets free later on? But it's already early 1919!

And one more thing, the historic events to mark End of World War 1 were a bit sparse.


The Ukraine seems to be the great mistery of this game. Nobody really has a clue what to do with it (at least I haven't found anything enlightening on this forum).
Personally, I take a few unprotected cities that offer ressources with a few cavalry regiments. But beside that I just leave it be and focus on my real enemies.
Has anyone tried a full out attack on the Ukraine? Does the Ukrainian fight back or even mount counter-offensives?

Early in 1919 allied fleets will arrive in the Bosporus then the way is open to ship those French and Greek troops to Rostov (or whichever prot you choose).

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