The AI in RUS scenarios

[Clovis]

Here you are:

1. Ice March: 14 turns, starts in November 1917. The Revolution has just taken place. Bolsheviks vs. tiny White force in the south. Personal opinion: too little, too small. I think the Russian Civil War campaign (see below) should have started in Nov. 1917. Alas...

2. The Russian Civil War: 86 turns, starts in June 1918. The big one .
You can play as any one of the three sides (Bolsheviks, Southern Whites, Siberian Whites). Personal opinion: It's the most fun, I am playing it right now.

3. Revolution Under Siege: 64 turns, May 1919. Like the one above, but the Whites have advanced and are ready to strike. You can play as any one of the three sides (Bolsheviks, Southern Whites, Siberian Whites).
Personal opinion: it's for people who play as the Whites, don't like to organize their troops as much as in the campaign above and want to jump straight to the fighting.

4. Admiral Kolchak's Siberian Coup: 76 turns, starts in November 1918. Much like the "Russian Civil War" campaign, only that Germany has already lost the war, is evacuating Ukraine and the Western Allies can help the Whites much more. Again, you can play as any of the three sides.

5. Finnish Civil war: 17 turns, starts in January 1918, ends in October. Personal opinion: fun. You can only play as Red or White Finnish forces. The Germans - who are still very much in the war - help the White Finnish forces. And the Bolsheviks help the Red Finnish forces.

6. Polish-Soviet War: 16 turns, starts in May 1920. You can play as Poland or the Soviets. Personal opinion: I find playing as the Poles a bit too easy, however the objectives are insane (conquer Moscow? :blink . However you don't need to conquer all the objectives to win. Probably will be improved via patch.

And I saved the best for last:

7. Drang Nach Osten: 71 turns, starts in January 1921. Germany has won WW1, the Bolsheviks have won the Civil War. Ukraine is a German puppet state, however the Bolsheviks are attacking it, hoping that a war with Germany will trigger world revolution (and it's actually possible for it to happen, play the scenario and you will see ). So the Germans start Barbarossa 20 years early, as to speak. Personal opinion: absolutely awesome, I love alternative history and this is very well done. As somebody from AGEOD said, it's like a game inside a game. It's huge and very awesome.

I exclude the three tutorials, obviously. If you need any more information, we're here!

For now, 2 remains to be fully worked to get an improved AI: Drang and Revolution under siege. There's just the basic AI for playing this, this should be solved in the next patch

Barbu, have you played the Poland scenario? And have you tied with the fixed files i've posted yesterday? If so, could you describe your strategy, or better send me the 2 last turns in an archive to study AI? For working over, I need data and remarks...

[barbu]

Matto, the Czechs are (I think) in the 3 big Russian campaign. to them, they're awesome.

Clovis, I played with the new AI. I will play the scenario again tonight, so that you can have some saves. My problem (maybe only mine :mdr was as follows:

I was playing as the Poles with the fog-of-war off (for research purposes). There weren't enough Russian forces to the east of Poland. Don't get me wrong, it's not as if I could get to Moscow or anything, but ... I honestly didn't see how they could threaten Warsaw with what they had. So I understand why the AI didn't launch a massive attack, hey, I wouldn't have Maybe there's an event which adds 30-40 units to the Bolsheviks and it didn't happen yet?

Again, I'll post tonight with detailed info. Here's a rundown of what I did today:

Turn 1, I clicked end turn without doing anything. One Russian attack in Barazh-something, to the East of Poland (they were defeated). That's it.
Turn 2: I find out that my units occupy Vilnius, I think, without me having asked them to. Nice, somehow. I move in the Ukraine with the corps under Pildudski's army (not with the army). I siege a city there (not Kiev). I move into Barazh-something, I am defeated. The Russians do nothing nowhere in terms of attacking me. Are they moving troops to the frontline? The French arrive. Turn 3: I move to Kiev. The Russians do nothing in terms of attacking me in Poland or in the Ukraine, although:
1. they should be attacking towards Warsaw, right? "The Battle of Warsaw" and all that...
2. In the Ukraine I think I am outnumbered. My supply lines could be cut so easily by a force coming to the SW of kiev.
3. Pildudski should be torn to pieces, since his Army has a force of 29.

In brief, it's as if I am playing Panzer General and the Russians have a defense-only AI.

[Clovis]

Matto, the Czechs are (I think) in the 3 big Russian campaign. to them, they're awesome.

Clovis, I played with the new AI. I will play the scenario again tonight, so that you can have some saves. My problem (maybe only mine :mdr was as follows:

I was playing as the Poles with the fog-of-war off (for research purposes). There weren't enough Russian forces to the east of Poland. Don't get me wrong, it's not as if I could get to Moscow or anything, but ... I honestly didn't see how they could threaten Warsaw with what they had. So I understand why the AI didn't launch a massive attack, hey, I wouldn't have Maybe there's an event which adds 30-40 units to the Bolsheviks and it didn't happen yet?

Again, I'll post tonight with detailed info. Here's a rundown of what I did today:

Turn 1, I clicked end turn without doing anything. One Russian attack in Barazh-something (they were defeated). That's it.
Turn 2: I find out that my units occupy Vilnius, I think, without me having asked them to. Nice, somehow. I move in the Ukraine with the corps under Pildudski's army (not with the army). I siege a city there (not Kiev). I move into Barazh-something, I am defeated. The Russians do nothing nowhere in terms of attacking me. Are they moving troops to the frontline? The French arrive. Turn 3: I move to Kiev. The Russians do nothing in terms of attacking me in Poland or in the Ucraine, although:
1. they should be attacking towards Warsaw, right? "The Battle of Warsaw" and all that...
2. In the ukraine I think I am outnumbered. My supply lines could be cut so easily by a force coming to the SW of kiev.
3. Pildudski should be torn to pieces, since his Army has a force of 29.

In brief, it's as if I am playing Panzer General and the Russians have a defense-only AI.

Have you continued after turn 3? Soviet AI has its reasons to wait. In my own last test, I launched a Polish attack on Minsk ( not the thing to advice but to see).
Polish are at the Minsk gates. But...a Soviet Corps has taken Baranavichy in my back, cutting the Polish supply lines.

You should go until the end of the scenario. This AI knows about strategic retreat and feints to cut supply lines. It's not only tailored to fight immediatly

And you should turn FOW on

Last point: it is mandatory to give more time to the AI in the option settings. It's best, but not as needed than bedfore, to give AI a +2 FOW bonus too.

[Clovis]

On turn 5, Red forces have counterattacked in Ukraine too, with the arrival of the Budenny's first Konyarma....Around Minsk, one of my corps has been pinned and can't extract to safety...

Scenario AI seems working, and yet more than I expected


You can't really test AI with no Fog of War too. Whatever the causes, no Fog of War is lowering AI quality in AGe engine. AI needs more info than an human, but all the info is just certainly overwhelming it.


I forgot to precise first turns were slow because of heavy rains, hence the slower pace of operations...

[Clovis]

eraly august 20: Reds are at the gates of Bialystok. They are 2 turns late from the history...

[Matto]

Please post some front screenshot ...

[Rafiki]

Clovis, the AAR forum is =====> over there...

[Clovis]

Please post some front screenshot ...

OK

First situation in Bielorussia, after Soviet flanking move on Baranavichy

[Clovis]

Then Ukraine. First, Polish army at the gates of Kiev



Then the Red counterstrike next turn

[Clovis]

Clovis, the AAR forum is =====> over there...

Not an AAR, but a real testing, after turn 3

[Matto]

Lovely, thanks ... and some more unzoomed? Or F8 map ...

[Rafiki]

Not an AAR, but a real testing, after turn 3

...if it looks like an AAR and quacks like an AAR....

(Keep in mind that this thread supposedly is about which campaigns and scenarios are included with the game )

[Clovis]

Lovely, thanks ... and some more unzoomed? Or F8 map ...

Rafiki is right, it's not an AAR thread...

[Rafiki]

Do feel free to start one, though

[Clovis]

Do feel free to start one, though

remember my main task is to help Athena to give the best, like in a COMPLETE Russo-Polish war scenario, after turn 3

Frankly, I would love to do an AAR. This game is just instant classic like AACW, with endless possibility ( and a real AI ). But i want first finish AI stuff in RUS then do the same on AACW AI. After, maybe, I will have the time to wirite about my exploits and my failures.

Tips: I voluntary played rather poorly as Polish. I know it's necessary to keep garrison and cover forces on supply lines in RUS and reorganize more Armies... A good player will beat Athena. But Athena can certainly create some trouble to lazy players...I hope so.

[Rafiki]

Indeed

[Frank]

Clovis what are the best settings in the ai option menu if i want to play the reds against the whites in the Grand Campaign?

[Clovis]

Clovis what are the best settings in the ai option menu if i want to play the reds against the whites in the Grand Campaign?

IMHO, more time for the AI, +2 Fog of war bonus, normal aggressivity. For the rest, it's up to you. Historical attrition may be a bit harsh for AI, but I haven't had time to test this setting and AI should not move often ( I say often...not never) during Winter. Leader activation the same: I don't have tested other setting than the default one.

Now, I've made some preliminary test without FOW bonus: AI seems to be less subtle, but I didn't noticed major drawback.

For the fun the next turn in Ukraine : AI flanking moves...

[barbu]

Clovis knows best I have edited my original posting about the Warsaw scenario. I guess I expected the Bolsheviks to be a lot "crazier" and offense-first Apologies.

[Clovis]

Clovis knows best I have edited my original posting about the Warsaw scenario. I guess I expected the Bolsheviks to be a lot "crazier" and offense-first Apologies.

No need to apologize . AI will do certainly poor moves and bad decisions too...It's not deep blue. But i will do all I can to fix this. So report them please

Proletarians, to AI driven horses....

[Rafiki]

[color="Blue"]With a thread of it's own, the discussion suddenly became a lot more on-topic... [/color]

[barbu]

What the man says: