Nial wrote:
." I disabled Rodman and Columbiad models,because they were only very big smoothbores, but I introduced the naval/coastal rifled artillery, which put an end to the masonry fortification without being deadly against armored vessels... I added the siege ability to siege guns but reduced their damage values."
aryaman wrote:I was wondering, Columbiad and Rodman guns were large seacoast guns, however in the game there are Columbiad (CSA) and Rodman (Union) batteries of field artillery, so I was wondering what exactly represent those batteries?
Gray_Lensman wrote:The game already has "Siege Artillery", which are significantly more powerful and move somewhat slower than regular artillery. Currently, Rodmans and Columbiads are really being treated as larger "regular" artillery and share the same movement rates as "regular" artillery. Is this incorrect?
Nial wrote:While the Whitworth fits the bill. I agree it should be more expensive do to it's breech loading system. Which in my mind makes it a less worthy choice for the south who are allready strapped for resources at times.
Instead for the South I would suggest the Blakely, since we know that while not exactly common, they were used, though I think mostly as implaced guns. I have seen pictures of Blakely's on carriages. Blakelys also came in 10 different models or sizes.
Nial
Jabberwock wrote:Properly, the term Rodman guns should only have been applied to the coastal guns actually designed by Rodman, but it was used historically to describe the siege rifles. Siege rifles is another confusing term. The 30 & 40 lb rifles were designed for siege and garrison duties and were cast using Rodman's principles. Hence the nickname. It was found that for a fairly slow moving army such as the AotP they could be used as field guns. They were definitely used in the field at Turkey Hill (Gaines Mill) and Antietam, probably on quite a few other battlefields.
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aryaman wrote:However the Osprey book on ACW field artillery, quoting a contemporary source indicates that the 20pdr proved too heavy for convenient use as a field gun, and that after Antietam most were replaced by 10pdr Parrots or 3 in Ordnance. If the 20pdr was alrady too heavy, the 30pdr much more so. In any case, if the present Rodman arty unit represents 30pdrs it should be slower than average field arty, while right now it has a movement rate of 100.
aryaman wrote:The Whitworth could be an agonizing decission for a CSA player, as the long range would give him a definitive advantage in clear terrain.
The most common Blakely gun was the 12pdr rifle gun, not much different from the Parrot 10pdr already in the game.
Eugene Carr wrote:yeah this seems to be a reversion to earlier times ( unless I changed it myself and then forgot :wacko
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Jabberwock wrote:Same source (Abbott) mentioned in previous post. Names in brackets [] as used by the author.
Artillery included in the AotP siege train (1st Connecticut Artillery) during 1864-65:
Mortars
1 13" [Seacoast] Mortar
16 10" [Siege and Seacoast] Mortars
20 8" [Siege] Mortars
36 24 lb Coehorn Mortars
Smoothbores
12 8" howitzers
2 32 pounders
1 24 lb [Field] howitzer
? 24 lb [Siege] gun
8 12 lb howitzers
11 12 lb napoleons
Rifles
13 100 pounder Parrotts (6.4")
44 30 pounder Parrott (4.2") + 1 30 lb Brooks Rifle
17 4.5" [Ordnance] Rifle
9 20 pounder Parrotts (3.67")
4 10 pounder Parrotts (2.9 or 3")
4 3" Ordnance Rifles
1 24 lb Sawyer Gun (5.8") - experimental
1 6 lb Sawyer Gun (3.67") - experimental
Artillery included in the AotP siege train (1st Connecticut Artillery) during 1862:
2 200 lb Parrotts (btty. B)
10 4.5" rifles (bttys. A & I)
5 30 lb Parrotts (btty. H)
10 13" mortars (bttys. F & G)
16 10" mortars (bttys. C, D, & E)
also used by 5th NY Vols.:
5 10" mortars
5 8" mortars
also available but not used by the siege train in the field:
2 8" mortars
3 8" howitzers
4 20 lb Parrotts
4 10 lb Whitworths
Siege Artillery accompanying the army on the march during 1863 (1st CT Arty., Batteries B & M) - these were used at Fredericksburg under Sedgewick, and during the Mine Run campaign:
8 4.5" [Ordnance] Rifles
Comparing the 4.5" to the 30 lb. Parrott ... The 4.5" was noted as easier to handle (capable of moving 30 miles a day under good conditions), but less reliable and used inferior ammunition.
further notes (p. 124):
The 20-pounder Parrott (calibre 3.67 inches) proved to be too small to give the precision of fire demanded of a siege gun, and to be too heavy for convenient use as a field gun. Moreover, its projectiles did not seem to take the grooves as well as those of either smaller or larger calibres. The gun was accordingly not regarded with favor.
The two siege batteries of 4.5-inch Ordnance guns, which accompanied the army of the Potomac in all its movements from Fredericksburg until the final crossing of the Rapidan, were of great use, from their superior range and accuracy, in silencing troublesome field batteries and in other field service; and could be moved with the reserve artillery without impeding the march of the army.
Nial wrote:Nice info, this helps with the Union side
So where does this leave us?
I assume we are lumping all mortars,and siege cannon into the one catagory/ model that we are currently using? Though the thought occurs to me that it would be more realistic to have a light and heavy siege gun category/ models.
As far as the Rodman/ Columbiad debate/discussion? There are several models to choose from where the north is concerned. The south is a bit trickier. They just didn't have the production variation due to lack of resources. We could add something that was rare just to keep it even? But one famous cannon (Widow Blakely) here or there shouldn't give the south the ability to mass produce multiple batteries of a one of a kind type. Would it be unfair or ahistorical to change the Rodman to the 4.5" rifle, delete the columbiad, and give the south more 20lber batteries?
Thoughts?
Are we restricted to the number of models we have now?
Nial
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