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Re: Ideas, suggestions & questions

Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:02 pm

Excellent, as before, just send me the XLS file with the change and I will send it to the devs for the next patch

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Re: Ideas, suggestions & questions

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:36 am

Some fixes to Polish-Lithuanian OOB, hope you would have some time to address them:

The overall army forces number of army without poorly equipped and anarchic mass levy was 25445 men in 1700.

The Polish (Crown) army (Armia Koronna) total: 17570 men
The detailed OOB:
Cavalry total: 10360 men
Arkebuzeria (Mounted Arquebusiers): 900
Husaria*: 1530
Pancerni* (Chain Mailed Cavalry): 4770
Lekka jazda (Light cavalry): 660
Dragonia (Dragoons): 2500
Infantry total: 7210 men
Piechota ("Foreign" infantry): 6740
Piechota węgierska (Light/Hungarian infantry/hajduks): 470
*Perhaps for the game purposes could be combined into one type.

Some regimental names :
Mounted Arquebusiers: Królewski (Life regiment), Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor. + 3 independent companies (Frejkompania)
Husaria and Pancerni: Królewski (Life regiment), Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor., Leszczyńskiego, Sieniawskiego, Lubomirskiego, Wisniowieckiego, Miaczynskiego, Potockiego, Sobieskiego, Jablonowskiego.
Light cavalry: Potockiego
Dragoons: Królewski (Life regiment), Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor. + 3 independent companies (Frejkompania)
Infantry: Gwardii Pieszej Koronnej (Guard), Królowej (Life regiment), Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor., Gröbena, d'Arquien, Koszkiela, Brandta, Berensa, Krasinskiego, Leszczyńskiego, Sieniawskiego, S.H. Lubomirskiego, H. Lubomirskiego, J. Lubomirskiego, Szczuki, Rappa, Starosty halickiego, Zaboklickiego, Czapskiego, Dzialynskiego + independent company Frejkompania gen. Nenchy
Hungarian infantry: Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor., Krakowska, Lublinska - not regiments, but chorągiew.


The Lithuanian army (Armia Wiel. Ks. Litewskiego) total: 7875
For OOB you could keep the same proportions of main unit types: Husaria, Pethoria (same as Pancerni), light cavalry, Dragoons, infantry. There were no mounted arquebusiers regiment in Lithuania IIRC. The only difference - the cavalry number in Lithuania in ratio to infantry was higher.
Some regimental names:
Husaria and Petyhoria: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit., Oginskiego, Mniszka, Gruszewskiego, Soroki
Light cavalry: Kociella, Oginskiego, Rotm. Pero
Dragoons: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit., Sienickiego, Kurcza, Frejkompania
Infantry: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit., Oginskiego, Sienickiego, Berga, Kurcza, Mniszka, Frejkompania
Hungarian infantry: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit.

Also Pospolite ruszenie should be represented for Poland-Lithuania somehow, about 10.000-15.000 cavalry noblemen of very poor quality and moral. Names could be given after the powiats of Poalnd-Lithuania.



The Army of the Duchy of Courland (Kurländische Armee) total: apr. 1000
At the moment is missing completely in game. Please add it as part of the PLC forces perhaps. The Courland's units could use Saxon unit pics.
OOB:
6 mounted & 2 foot companies:
- 1 company of Leibgarde
- 2 companies of Garde-Dragoner-Regiment
- 2 mounted companies of Lehnsreiter regiment
- 1 company of Jäger zu Pferde
- 2 foot companies (in garrisons of the fortresses of Mitau and Bauske).
For the military commander Ferdinand Kettlerwould be ideal. His portrait if you'll need it.


Courland's navy (Kurländische Flotte) in 1700:
Total: 15
Frigates-class: 5 or 6
Smaller vessels: 9-10
In contrast to quite rich information on the 17th century's ships and famous big fleet of Duke Jacob (around 100 armed vessels), the sources about Courland's fleet of early 18th century is quite scarce for a good reason as the navy was in terrible state. Nevertheless I managed to collect quite a good and probably complete information on the navy of dukes Friedrich Casimir and Friedrich Wilhelm.

The detailed vessels list (all teh names are in original Baltic Low German):

1. Die Carpee (Carp) – built in 1680 in Libau, was very active as trade and convoy ship at the Baltics during 1696-1699.
2. St. Casimir - 200 lasts (about 1000 tonnes) double-decked frigate, built in Libau in 1678. Trade and convoy ship.
3. Den Engel (Angel) - since 1680, trade ship.
4. Garneele (Shrimp) - trade ship.
5. Hase (Hare) - since 1680s, active as trade vessel in 1680s-1690s.
6. Heringsfaenger (Herring Fisherman) - since second half of 1685, active as trade vessel in 1680s-1690s.
7. Die Durchlauchte Hertzogin von Churlandt (Serene Duchess of Courland) - double-decked frigate, 130 foot long (*probably German or Scandinavian foot, about 0,3 m.). Built in 1694, in 1698 was docked in Windau.
8. St. Jgnatius - since 1680, active as convoy ship.
9. Insull Tobago (Island Tobago) - convoy/trade ship active since 1689.
10. St. Sophia - double-decked frigate, built in 1678 in Libau.
11. Stadt Windau (City of Windau) - since 1688, convoy/trade ship.
12. Das Wappen von Tobago (The Shield of Tobago) - since 1687, probably a very good armed ship (frigate?) as in 1687 under command of governor Altenbockum it sailed across the ocean to West Indies in one of many unsuccessful Courlandian attempts to regain control over Tobago. It survived a very serious storm, was repaired at the Faroes and returned to Windau.
13. Der Hirschbock (Elk) - since 1691, used as trade ship. Was temporary arrested by the Swedes.
14. Stadt von Aventure (City of Adventure) - yacht/corvette/sloop, built in 1690 for the cost of 6.000 florins. Active since 1691.
15. Prins Friedrich Wilhelm (Prince Friedrich Wilhelm) - 41 meter long (the parameters: 132x32'6x14 Swedish foots), the biggest of the Courland's vessels, built somewhere in 1690s. It was quite nicely armed considering very poor state of the Courland's navy after Duke Jacob's death: it has 50 major cannons (22 x 8-pounders, 22 x 6-pounders and 6 x 4-pounders cannons), plus 20 smaller x 0,5-pounder guns (so, somewhere 70 with them). Usually such vessels were used as the convoys but during war time could be mobilised and armed for military actions. In 1702 it was captured by the Swedes, but in 1712 it was sunk (to straighten the pier) due to the fact that Sweden simply did not have any resources to repair and rearm it for any active military use.
Source: Майлит, Ю., Богатырев, И. Судостроение в Курляндии в 1638-1718 гг. (Shipbuilding in Courland, 1638-1718) // Судостроение, №10, 1989, pp. 52-55
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Re: Ideas, suggestions & questions

Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:05 pm

SUPERB WORK!!!!!

I would say that only guards regiments should be regular infrantry, while rest of the regiments should have statistics of musceters.

as for Piechotą Wegierska - it should be treated as light infrantry.

Definitly there should be added locked cossack units.


One general remark - i think it should be a possibility to increase and improve polish-lituanian infrantry. There were plans to do it every time parlament was meeting.

Parliaments were supossoed to be called every 2 years, yet there was a posibility to procced with the changes wit local parlimants or call special parliament.

My proposal is that Anti-Swedish Coalition player should be given a chance to introduce reform of the army as an option. Every year starting from 1701.

It should cost a lot of money, EP and War Supplies - yet it should benefict with the increase of the recruitment pool and rather fast improvemnt of the units ( mussteiers chainging in to modern infrantry on a faste paste, dragoons improving to qualitu units, hussars getting cuirassiers stastics)


Swedish player should have an option to try to block it - by securing number of polish cities and paying quite a lot of money and EP ( that action would reprsent bribing number of mebers of parliament)


such a reform was planned yet never really introduced. Yet as history shown during a polish-saxon war of Kofederacja Tarnogrodzka PLC admistration could be succeful in creating military force ( it included forming parliamnts infrantry based on some swedish prisoners....)




the other thing is that PLC army should be be locked until attacked or unlocked by parlaiment decision - intrduced as an option as well. Genneraly PLC elite seen the war as a private adventure of a king and get in tp the war slowly.


Yet all those changes would make Anti-Swedish Coation even weaker....
So to balance things i would say that Ruassians should be given much stronger army - meaning much higher number of supply trains, most of the musceters being Strelsty quality units. and chenge to moder infrantry should not be conected with creating of sank petersburg but rather with Peters Rule event.
And russians should be able to recrut regular infrantry from like 1703/1704.







Herr Doctor wrote:Some fixes to Polish-Lithuanian OOB, hope you would have some time to address them:

The overall army forces number of army without poorly equipped and anarchic mass levy was 25445 men in 1700.

The Polish (Crown) army (Armia Koronna) total: 17570 men
The detailed OOB:
Cavalry total: 10360 men
Arkebuzeria (Mounted Arquebusiers): 900
Husaria*: 1530
Pancerni* (Chain Mailed Cavalry): 4770
Lekka jazda (Light cavalry): 660
Dragonia (Dragoons): 2500
Infantry total: 7210 men
Piechota ("Foreign" infantry): 6740
Piechota węgierska (Light/Hungarian infantry/hajduks): 470
*Perhaps for the game purposes could be combined into one type.

Some regimental names :
Mounted Arquebusiers: Królewski, Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor. + 3 independent companies (Frejkompania)
Husaria and Pancerni: Królewski, Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor., Leszczyńskiego, Sieniawskiego, Lubomirskiego, Wisniowieckiego, Miaczynskiego, Potockiego, Sobieskiego, Jablonowskiego.
Light cavalry: Potockiego
Dragoons: Królewski, Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor. + 3 independent companies (Frejkompania)
Infantry: Gwardii Pieszej Koronnej (Guard), Królowej (Life regiment), Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor., Gröbena, d'Arquien, Koszkiela, Brandta, Berensa, Krasinskiego, Leszczyńskiego, Sieniawskiego, S.H. Lubomirskiego, H. Lubomirskiego, J. Lubomirskiego, Szczuki, Rappa, Starosty halickiego, Zaboklickiego, Czapskiego, Dzialynskiego + independent company Frejkompania gen. Nenchy
Hungarian infantry: Hetmana wielkiego kor., Hetmana polnego kor., Krakowska, Lublinska - not regiments, but chorągiew.


The Lithuanian army (Armia Wiel. Ks. Litewskiego) total: 7875
For OOB you could keep the same proportions of main unit types: Husaria, Pethoria (same as Pancerni), light cavalry, Dragoons, infantry. There were no mounted arquebusiers regiment in Lithuania IIRC. The only difference - the cavalry number in Lithuania in ratio to infantry was higher.
Some regimental names:
Husaria and Petyhoria: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit., Oginskiego, Mniszka, Gruszewskiego, Soroki
Light cavalry: Kociella, Oginskiego, Rotm. Pero
Dragoons: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit., Sienickiego, Kurcza, Frejkompania
Infantry: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit., Oginskiego, Sienickiego, Berga, Kurcza, Mniszka, Frejkompania
Hungarian infantry: Hetmana wielkiego lit., Hetmana polnego lit.

Also Pospolite ruszenie should be represented for Poland-Lithuania somehow, about 10.000-15.000 cavalry noblemen of very poor quality and moral. Names could be given after the powiats of Poalnd-Lithuania.



The Army of the Duchy of Courland (Kurländische Armee) total: apr. 1000
At the moment is missing completely in game. Please add it as part of the PLC forces perhaps. The Courland's units could use Saxon unit pics.
OOB:
6 mounted & 2 foot companies:
- 1 company of Leibgarde
- 2 companies of Garde-Dragoner-Regiment
- 2 mounted companies of Lehnsreiter regiment
- 1 company of Jäger zu Pferde
- 2 foot companies (in garrisons of the fortresses of Mitau and Bauske).


Courland's navy (Kurländische Flotte) in 1700:
Total: 15
Frigates-class: 5 or 6
Smaller vessels: 9-10
In contrast to quite rich information on the 17th century's ships and famous big fleet of Duke Jacob (around 100 armed vessels), the sources about Courland's fleet of early 18th century is quite scarce for a good reason as the navy was in terrible state. Nevertheless I managed to collect quite a good and probably complete information on the navy of dukes Friedrich Casimir and Friedrich Wilhelm.

The detailed vessels list (all teh names are in original Baltic Low German):
[spoiler]
1. Die Carpee (Carp) – built in 1680 in Libau, was very active as trade and convoy ship at the Baltics during 1696-1699.
2. St. Casimir - 200 lasts (about 1000 tonnes) double-decked frigate, built in Libau in 1678. Trade and convoy ship.
3. Den Engel (Angel) - since 1680, trade ship.
4. Garneele (Shrimp) - trade ship.
5. Hase (Hare) - since 1680s, active as trade vessel in 1680s-1690s.
6. Heringsfaenger (Herring Fisherman) - since second half of 1685, active as trade vessel in 1680s-1690s.
7. Die Durchlauchte Hertzogin von Churlandt (Serene Duchess of Courland) - double-decked frigate, 130 foot long (*probably German or Scandinavian foot, about 0,3 m.). Built in 1694, in 1698 was docked in Windau.
8. St. Jgnatius - since 1680, active as convoy ship.
9. Insull Tobago (Island Tobago) - convoy/trade ship active since 1689.
10. St. Sophia - double-decked frigate, built in 1678 in Libau.
11. Stadt Windau (City of Windau) - since 1688, convoy/trade ship.
12. Das Wappen von Tobago (The Shield of Tobago) - since 1687, probably a very good armed ship (frigate?) as in 1687 under command of governor Altenbockum it sailed across the ocean to West Indies in one of many unsuccessful Courlandian attempts to regain control over Tobago. It survived a very serious storm, was repaired at the Faroes and returned to Windau.
13. Der Hirschbock (Elk) - since 1691, used as trade ship. Was temporary arrested by the Swedes.
14. Stadt von Aventure (City of Adventure) - yacht/corvette/sloop, built in 1690 for the cost of 6.000 florins. Active since 1691.
15. Prins Friedrich Wilhelm (Prince Friedrich Wilhelm) - 41 meter long (the parameters: 132x32'6x14 Swedish foots), the biggest of the Courland's vessels, built somewhere in 1690s. It was quite nicely armed considering very poor state of the Courland's navy after Duke Jacob's death: it has 50 major cannons (22 x 8-pounders, 22 x 6-pounders and 6 x 4-pounders cannons), plus 20 smaller x 0,5-pounder guns (so, somewhere 70 with them). Usually such vessels were used as the convoys but during war time could be mobilised and armed for military actions. In 1702 it was captured by the Swedes, but in 1712 it was sunk (to straighten the pier) due to the fact that Sweden simply did not have any resources to repair and rearm it for any active military use.
Source: Майлит, Ю., Богатырев, И. Судостроение в Курляндии в 1638-1718 гг. (Shipbuilding in Courland, 1638-1718) // Судостроение, №10, 1989, pp. 52-55

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Re: Ideas, suggestions & questions

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:03 pm

marek1978 wrote:SUPERB WORK!!!!!

I would say that only guards regiments should be regular infrantry, while rest of the regiments should have statistics of musceters.

as for Piechotą Wegierska - it should be treated as light infrantry.

Definitly there should be added locked cossack units.

Good remarks. Thanks.
Making guard and "leib" (King's and Queen's ones) regiments as modern regular infantry is totally justified, in comparison to somewhat weaker other infantry regiments. Especially prior the 1717 reform.

marek1978 wrote:One general remark - i think it should be a possibility to increase and improve polish-lituanian infrantry. There were plans to do it every time parlament was meeting.

Parliaments were supossoed to be called every 2 years, yet there was a posibility to procced with the changes wit local parlimants or call special parliament.

My proposal is that Anti-Swedish Coalition player should be given a chance to introduce reform of the army as an option. Every year starting from 1701.

It should cost a lot of money, EP and War Supplies - yet it should benefict with the increase of the recruitment pool and rather fast improvemnt of the units ( mussteiers chainging in to modern infrantry on a faste paste, dragoons improving to qualitu units, hussars getting cuirassiers stastics)

Swedish player should have an option to try to block it - by securing number of polish cities and paying quite a lot of money and EP ( that action would reprsent bribing number of mebers of parliament)


such a reform was planned yet never really introduced. Yet as history shown during a polish-saxon war of Kofederacja Tarnogrodzka PLC admistration could be succeful in creating military force ( it included forming parliamnts infrantry based on some swedish prisoners....)

I like the idea, but the main problems for those plans of August II were local opposition backed by the Russians. rather then the Swedes alone. The question is how to represent it in game terms, considering you don't play PLC+Saxony alone, but the whole alliance leaded by Peter the Great who was against any major reforms like this in Poland-Lithuania. Won't be a bit too unrealistic if we don't take in account various factions interests? Could it lead to another civil conflict potentially if pushed by the player? Russian intervention? The break of alliance with Russia? Would it make PLC even more unstable? :)

marek1978 wrote:the other thing is that PLC army should be be locked until attacked or unlocked by parlaiment decision - intrduced as an option as well. Genneraly PLC elite seen the war as a private adventure of a king and get in tp the war slowly.

THIS indeed. I totally agree. This would be way more historical than PLC forces used in early stages of the war. Perhaps the player could have some space for political manoeuvrers here and some minor chance to push PLC into the conflict earlier as both August II and Peter worked hard for this. But at last until 1704 it shouldn't be granted that the PLC forces are activated at all.

marek1978 wrote:Yet all those changes would make Anti-Swedish Coation even weaker....
So to balance things i would say that Ruassians should be given much stronger army - meaning much higher number of supply trains, most of the musceters being Strelsty quality units. and chenge to moder infrantry should not be conected with creating of sank petersburg but rather with Peters Rule event.
And russians should be able to recrut regular infrantry from like 1703/1704.

Great idea and simple to represent in game. Realistically I think it should be as historically: giving anti-Swedish coalition (Russia) lots of resources to build up new modern army based on Russian units.

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Re: Ideas, suggestions & questions

Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Suggestions Swedish Livonia ...

RegionName2529 Riga
RegionName2530 Kirkholm
RegionName2531 Lennewarden
RegionName2532 Kokenhusen
RegionName2533 Sigulden
RegionName2534 Lemburg
RegionName2535 Treyden
RegionName2536 Lemsal
RegionName2537 Wenden
RegionName2538 Rönneburg
RegionName2539 Modohn
RegionName2540 Nitau
RegionName2541 Kreutzburg
RegionName2542 Lubahn
RegionName2543 Lievenhof
RegionName2544 Dünaburg
RegionName2545 Kraslau
RegionName2546 Braslau
RegionName2547 Lettgallen
RegionName2548 Rosenau
RegionName2549 Rositten
RegionName2550 Ludsen
RegionName2551 Gulbene
RegionName2552 Schwanenburg

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