tripax wrote:Is CW2 affected, was it for sale on itunes? Is itunes the same as the apple app store?
pb783 wrote:Reuters, The Hill and other news outlets are reporting that Apple has removed games from its iTunes store that feature the Confederate battle flag. Games include 'Ultimate General: Gettysburg' by Game-Labs, HexWar Games and several games by Hunted Cow.
"We're in no way sympathetic to the use of the flag in an offensive way, we used it purely because historically that was the flag that was used at the time," Andrew of HexWar Games told Touch Arcade. Touch Arcade said in its report that some developers plan to resubmit their games with the Stars and Bars, the first national flag of the Confederacy. But that the game companys were not sure if this change would meet Apple's new policy.
Apple submitted a statement saying it has removed games that feature the flag in an offensive or mean-spirited way. Apple says it is reaching out to developers affected by the change to resolve the issue.
"We are not going to amend the game's content and Ultimate General: Gettysburg will no longer be available on AppStore," a statement to Touch Arcade from Game-Labs says, "We really hope that Apple’s decision will achieve the desired results. We can’t change history, but we can change the future."
The change in policy follows a period of rising racial tension in the U.S. On June 17, nine people were killed at a prayer service in the historically black Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. Among those killed was South Carolina State Senator Pastor Clementa C Pinkney.
Dylann Roof, a 21 year-old white supremacist was accused of the crime. Roof's social media was found to contain symbols of white supremacy including the battle flag of the Confederate States.
In South Carolina, flags were raised to half mast in honor of the dead. A notable exception was the battle flag of the Confederate States located on the grounds of the state capitol building.
Thousands demanded the flag be removed from government grounds. Calls included US President Barack Obama and several candidates for the US Presidency, the governor of South Carolina and its two US Senators. The South Carolina house voted to remove the flag while in special session.
Retailers joined the movement to remove the flag from sale, notably WalMart, Sears, KMart, Amazon and eBay. Warner Brothers announced a toy car from the television series The Dukes of Hazzard would be withdrawn from sale. The 'General Lee' toy prominently displayed a battle flag on its roof.
Several states associated with the Confederate States have joined the movement too. In Alabama a Confederate Blood Stained Banner was removed from state government grounds by order of the Alabama governor. In several other states moves were made to end the sale of vehicle license plates that feature Confederate flags. In Texas a decision to refuse to sell Confederate flag license plates predated the killings. The U.S. Supreme Court had upheld the state's decision on June 18.
submitted by Patrick Boylan as pb783 based on media reports.
B0rn_C0nfused wrote:PB783-This is the full quote from apple, I see you only put part of it in your original post. "We have removed apps from the App Store that use the Confederate flag in offensive or mean-spirited ways, which is in violation of our guidelines,” an Apple spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. "We are not removing apps that display the Confederate flag for educational or historical uses."
I am not saying I am for or against what apple did. However at least for me, the entire quote posted above is a little different then what I feel your post implied.
pb783 wrote:Noted and updated. Thanks.
Captain_Orso wrote:In this thread I have read unfounded accusations of conspiracy in distributers removing the "confederate" flag from their product pallet and accusations that those wishing to remove it from the South Carolina state capital (it's now also being discussed about removing it from the state flag of Alabama) do not understand the historical context of the flag. However I have yet to hear anybody mention the actual historical context of the 'confederate' flag in question, the one being displayed wide spread and which actually played very little role in the Confederacy.
The use of the 'confederate' flag in question started to proliferate in the public in the early 60's at a time when the federal government started to support the rights of black Americans and to persecute segregation. It was being used specifically as a symbol of racism and a resistance to the federal government's efforts to abolish government organized racism, and it a symbol of just that in the minds of an overwhelming majority of the public to this day.
Anyway in this context Wall mart not selling this flag anymore sounds like a justified move to me, but apple not selling some wargames because the flag is in there.. That sounds bogus.
We can discuss what the Confederacy was, what it's symbols were and how we should deal with their use, but the context of the 'confederate' flag now being discussed has far less to do with the history of the American Civil War and far more to do the the repression and persecution of American citizens because of the color of their skin up to the present day.
Captain_Orso wrote: However I have yet to hear anybody mention the actual historical context of the 'confederate' flag in question, the one being displayed wide spread and which actually played very little role in the Confederacy.
The use of the 'confederate' flag in question started to proliferate in the public in the early 60's at a time when the federal government started to support the rights of black Americans and to persecute segregation. It was being used specifically as a symbol of racism and a resistance to the federal government's efforts to abolish government organized racism, and it a symbol of just that in the minds of an overwhelming majority of the public to this day.
We can discuss what the Confederacy was, what it's symbols were and how we should deal with their use, but the context of the 'confederate' flag now being discussed has far less to do with the history of the American Civil War and far more to do the the repression and persecution of American citizens because of the color of their skin up to the present day.
BigDuke66 wrote:BTW looking at the US state flags I only see Mississippi as problematic, others state flags seem to differ so much from the battle flag that I doubt they should be changed.
Keeler wrote:It may be hard to understand for people who haven't lived in the US, it's hard for some of us who live here to wrap our heads around, but same the "Confederate" flag which some adopted as a symbol of hate and segregation is today used by many as symbol of individual liberty. Being from born in New York and having spent most of my life in the North, I've never used this flag or felt about it in that way. However, having lived in the South at various points of my life I would bet the vast, vast majority of people who display the flag do so in that manner and don't use it in a racial context. This also helps explain why you see the flag so often outside the South. Certainly the racial connotations still exist, and there are some who use this flag in that manner, but it is a decided minority. People committing crimes under this flag should be punished for those crimes. Given the flag's multiple meanings I believe it's inappropriate to have flying on or at public buildings, where it could be construed as government support for illegal policies such as segregation, but it shouldn't be eliminated from public life. The US Constitution protects your right to free speech, it says nothing about being offended.
Captain_Orso wrote:In this thread I have read unfounded accusations of conspiracy in distributers removing the "confederate" flag from their product pallet and accusations that those wishing to remove it from the South Carolina state capital (it's now also being discussed about removing it from the state flag of Alabama) do not understand the historical context of the flag. However I have yet to hear anybody mention the actual historical context of the 'confederate' flag in question, the one being displayed wide spread and which actually played very little role in the Confederacy.
The use of the 'confederate' flag in question started to proliferate in the public in the early 60's at a time when the federal government started to support the rights of black Americans and to persecute segregation. It was being used specifically as a symbol of racism and a resistance to the federal government's efforts to abolish government organized racism, and it a symbol of just that in the minds of an overwhelming majority of the public to this day.
We can discuss what the Confederacy was, what it's symbols were and how we should deal with their use, but the context of the 'confederate' flag now being discussed has far less to do with the history of the American Civil War and far more to do the the repression and persecution of American citizens because of the color of their skin up to the present day.
Cardinal Ape wrote:It has always bothered me that these racists use the Confederate battle flag as their symbol when they clearly should be using the Stainless Banner.
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