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Generic Generals - USA

Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:34 pm

We shall add some "named" generic generals to the game DB, using the list of real generals from the ACW.

These generals will come like 6 at start + 3 new ones per year, and will help players organize their divisions and corps. We plan to have a small DB of the 20-25 most important of these generals.

This is of course NOT counting the big guys list we have been discussing for weeks.

Please note the following restictions that are a MUST:

* All these leaders are valued 3.1.1, 0 Pol
* The have lowest seniority compare to the exisiting list
* They have no portraits (we just lack time for this)
* They have no abilities

In chosing among the list below, please keep in mind the above and the following extra criteria:

- The leaders must have been promoted at least to Maj. Gen
- They should have been promoted a bit earlier than 1865 :sourcil:
- They must be fighting generals at least at large brigades or division level (no staffers or bureaucrats)
- Possibly 'famous' (at least of few of you heard about the guys), i.e. they could have made it to the big guys list (and will...when we have time :nuts: )
- We need only 25 !


Now is an alphabetical list to choose from. I have at the disposal of those wh o want it a big word doc (over 100 pages) with much more info on all these generals, and you can trace the complete data here: http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/generals.html


USA List

A

ABERCROMBIE, John Joseph
ALLEN, Robert
ALVORD, Benjamin
AMES, Adelbert
AMMEN, Jacob
ANDERSON, Robert
ANDREWS, Christopher Columbus
ANDREWS, George Leonard
ARNOLD, Lewis Golding
ARNOLD, Richard
ASBOTH, Alexander Sandor
AUGUR, Christopher Columbus
AVERELL, William Woods
AYRES, Romeyn Beck

B

BAILEY, Joseph
BAIRD, Absalom
BAKER, Edward Dickinson
BANKS, Nathaniel Prentiss "Commissary Banks"
BARLOW, Francis Channing
BARNARD, John Gross
BARNES, James
BARNES, Joseph K
BARNUM, Henry Alanson
BARRY, William Farquhar
BARTLETT, Joseph Jackson
BARTLETT, William Francis
BAXTER, Henry
BAYARD, George Dashiell
BEAL, George Lafayette
BEATTY, John
BEATTY, Samuel
BELKNAP, William Worth
BENHAM, Henry Washington
BENTON, William Plummer
BERRY, Hiram Gregory
BIDWELL, Daniel Davidson
BIRGE, Henry Warner
BIRNEY, David Bell
BIRNEY, William
BLAIR, Francis Preston Jr
BLENKER, Louis (Ludwig)
BLUNT, James Gillpatrick
BOHLEN, Henry
BOWEN, James
BOYLE, Jeremiah Tilford
BRADLEY, Luther Prentice
BRAGG, Edward Stuyvesant
BRANNAN, John Milton
BRAYMAN, Mason
BRIGGS, Henry Shaw
BRISBIN, James Sanks
BROOKE, John Rutter
BROOKS, William Thomas Harbaugh
BROWN, Egbert Benson
BUCHANAN, Robert Christie "Old Buck"
BUCKINGHAM, Catharinus Putnam
BUCKLAND, Ralph Pomeroy
BUELL, Don Carlos
BUFORD, John
BUFORD, Napoleon Bonaparte
BURBRIDGE, Stephen Gano
BURNHAM, Hiram
BURNS, William Wallace
BURNSIDE, Ambrose Everett
BUSSEY, Cyrus
BUSTEED, Richard
BUTLER, Benjamin Franklin "Beast", "Spoons"
BUTTERFIELD, Daniel

C

CADWALADER, George
CALDWELL, John Curtis
CAMERON, Robert Alexander
CAMPBELL, Charles Thomas
CAMPBELL, William Bowen
CANBY, Edward Richard Sprigg
CARLETON, James Henry
CARLIN, William Passmore
CARR, Eugene Asa
CARR, Joseph Bradford
CARRINGTON, Henry Beebee
CARROLL, Samuel Sprigg
CARTER, Samuel Powhatan
CASEY, Silas
CATTERSON, Robert Francis
CHAMBERLAIN, Joshua Lawrence
CHAMBERS, Alexander
CHAMPLIN, Stephen Gardner
CHAPIN, Edward Payson
CHAPMAN, George Henry
CHETLAIN, Augustus Louis
CHRYSLER, Morgan Henry
CLARK, William Thomas
CLAY, Cassius Marcellus
CLAYTON, Powell
CLUSERET, Gustave Paul
COCHRANE, John
CONNOR, Patrick Edward
CONNOR, Selden
COOK, John
COOKE, Philip St George
COOPER, James
COOPER, Joseph Alexander
COPELAND, Joseph Tarr
CORCORAN, Michael
CORSE, John Murray
COUCH, Darius Nash
COWDIN, Robert
COX, Jacob Dolson
CRAIG, James
CRAWFORD, Samuel Wylie
CRITTENDEN, Thomas Leonidas
CRITTENDEN, Thomas Turpin
CROCKER, Marcellus Monroe
CROOK, George
CROXTON, John Thomas
CRUFT, Charles
CULLUM, George Washington
CURTIS, Newton Martin
CURTIS, Samuel Ryan
CUSTER, George Armstrong "Autie", "Fanny", "Curly"
CUTLER, Lysander "The Gray Wolf", "Woodchuck"

D

DANA, Napoleon Jackson Tecumseh
DAVIDSON, John Wynn
DAVIES, Henry Eugene
DAVIES, Thomas Alfred
DAVIS, Edmond Jackson
DAVIS, Jefferson Columbus
DEITZLER, George Washington
DELAFIELD, Richard
DENNIS, Elias Smith
DENT, Frederick Tracy
DENVER, James William
DE RUSSY, Gustavus Adolphus
DE TROBRIAND, Philippe RÈgis DÈnis de Keredern
DEVENS, Charles Jr
DEVIN, Thomas Casimer
DEWEY, Joel Allen
DIX, John Adams
DODGE, Charles Cleveland
DODGE, Grenville Mellen
DOOLITTLE, Charles Camp
DOUBLEDAY, Abner
DOW, Neal
DUFFIES, Alfred Napoleon Alexander "Nattie"
DUMONT, Ebenezer
DURYSE, Abram
DUVAL, Isaac Hardin
DWIGHT, William
DYER, Alexander Brydie


E

EATON, Amos Beebe
EDWARDS, John
EDWARDS, Oliver
EGAN, Thomas Wilberforce
ELLET, Alfred Washington
ELLIOT, Washington Lafayette
EMORY, William Hemsley
ESTEY (ESTE), George Peabody
EUSTIS, Henry Lawrence
EWING, Charles
EWING, Hugh Boyle
EWING, Thomas Jr

F

FAIRCHILD, Lucius
FARNSWORTH, Elon John
FARNSWORTH, John Franklin
FERRERO, Edward
FERRY, Orris Sanford
FESSENDEN, Francis
FESSENDEN, James Deering
FISK, Clinton Bowen
FORCE, Manning Ferguson
FORSYTH, James William
FOSTER, John Gray
FOSTER, Robert Sanford
FRANKLIN, William Buel
FRÉMONT, John Charles
FRENCH, William Henry
FRY, James Barnet
FRY, Speed Smith
FULLER, John Wallace


G

GAMBLE, William
GARFIELD, James Abram
GARRARD, Kenner
GARRARD, Theophilus Toulmin
GEARY, John White
GETTY, George Washington
GIBBON, John
GIBBS, Alfred
GILBERT, Charles Champion
GILBERT, James Isham
GILLEM, Alvan Cullem
GILLMORE, Quincy Adams
GORDON, George Henry
GORMAN, Willis Arnold
GRAHAM, Charles Kinnaird
GRAHAM, Lawrence Pike
GRANGER, Gordon
GRANGER, Robert Seaman
GRANT, Lewis Addison
GRANT, Ulysses Simpson (Hiram Ulysses)
GREENE, George Sears
GREGG, David McMurtrie
GRESHAM, Walter Quintin
GRIERSON, Benjamin Henry
GRIFFIN, Charles
GRIFFIN, Simon Goodell
GROSE, William
GROVER, Cuvier

H

HACKLEMAN, Pleasant Adam
HALLECK, Henry Wager
HAMBLIN, Joseph Eldridge
HAMILTON, Andrew Jackson
HAMILTON, Charles Smith
HAMILTON, Schuyler
HAMLIN, Cyrus
HAMMOND, William Alexander
HANCOCK, Winfield Scott
HARDIE, James Allen
HARDIN, Martin Davis
HARDING, Abner Clark
HARKER, Charles Garrison
HARLAND, Edward
HARNEY, William Selby
HARRIS, Thomas Maley
HARROW, William
HARTRANFT, John Frederick
HARTSUFF, George Lucas
HASCALL, Milo Smith
HASKIN, Joseph Abel
HATCH, Edward
HATCH, John Porter
HAUPT, Herman
HAWKINS, John Parker
HAWLEY, Joseph Roswell
HAYES, Joseph
HAYES, Rutherford Birchard
HAYNIE, Isham Nicholas
HAYS, Alexander
HAYS, William
HAZEN, William Babcock
HECKMAN, Charles Adam
HEINTZELMAN, Samuel Peter
HERRON, Francis Jay
HINCKS, Edward Winslow
HITCHCOCK, Ethan Allen
HOBSON, Edward Henry
HOLT, Joseph
HOOKER, Joseph
HOVEY, Alvin Peterson
HOVEY, Charles Edward
HOWARD, Oliver Otis
HOWE, Albion Parris
HOWELL, Joshua Blackwood
HUMPHREYS, Andrew Atkinson
HUNT, Henry Jackson
HUNT, Lewis Cass
HUNTER, David
HURLBUT, Stephen Augustus

I

INGALLS, Rufus

J

JACKSON, Conrad Feger
JACKSON, James Streshly
JACKSON, Nathaniel James
JACKSON, Richard Henry
JAMESON, Charles Davis
JOHNSON, Andrew
JOHNSON, Richard W
JONES, Patrick Henry
JUDAH, Henry Moses

K

KANE, Thomas Leiper
KAUTZ, August Valentine
KEARNY, Philip
KEIM, William Hugh
KELLEY, Benjamin Franklin
KENLY, John Reese
KETCHAM, John Henry
KETCHUM, William Scott
KEYES, Erasmus Darwin
KIERNAN, James Lawlor
KILPATRICK, Hugh Judson "Kill Cavalry"
KIMBALL, Nathan
KING, John Haskell
KING, Rufus
KIRBY, Edmund
KIRK, Edward Needles
KNIPE, Joseph Farmer
KRYZANOWSKI, Wladimir

L

LANDER, Frederick West
LAUMAN, Jacob Gartner
LAWLER, Michael Kelly
LEDLIE, James Hewett
LEE, Albert Lindley
LEGGETT, Mortimer Dormer
LIGHTBURN, Joseph Andrew Jackson
LOCKWOOD, Henry Hayes
LOGAN, John Alexander
LONG, Eli
LOWELL, Charles Russell
LUCAS, Thomas John
LYON, Nathaniel
LYTLE, William Haynes

M

MCARTHUR, John
MCCALL, George Archibald
MCCLELLAN, George Brinton
MCCLERNAND, John Alexander
MCCOOK, Alexander McDowell
MCCOOK, Daniel Jr
MCCOOK, Edward Moody
MCCOOK, Robert Latimer
MCDOWELL, Irvin
MCGINNIS, George Francis
MCINTOSH, John Baillie
MCKEAN, Thomas Jefferson
MACKENZIE, Ranald Slidell
MCKINSTRY, Justus
MCLEAN, Nathaniel Collins
MCMILLAN, James Winning
MCNEIL, John
MCPHERSON, James Birdseye
MALTBY, Jasper Adalmorn
MANSFIELD, Joseph King Fenno
MANSON, Mahlon Dickerson
MARCY, Randolph Barnes
MARSTON, Gillman
MARTINDALE, John Henry
MASON, John Sanford
MATTHIES, Charles (Karl) Leopold
MEADE, George Gordon
MEAGHER, Thomas Francis
MEIGS, Montgomery Cunningham
MEREDITH, Solomon
MEREDITH, Sullivan Amory
MERRITT, Wesley
MILES, Nelson Appleton
MILLER, John Franklin
MILLER, Stephen
MILROY, Robert Huston
MITCHEL, Ormsby MacKnight
MITCHELL, John Grant
MITCHELL, Robert Byington
MONTGOMERY, William Reading
MORELL, George Webb
MORGAN, Charles Hale
MORGAN, Edward Denison
MORGAN, George Washington
MORGAN, James Dada
MORRIS, William Hopkins
MORTON, James St Clair
MOTT, Gershom
MOWER, Joseph Anthony

N

NAGLE, James
NAGLEE, Henry Morris
NEGLEY, James Scott
NEILL, Thomas Hewson
NELSON, William "Bull"
NEWTON, John
NICKERSON, Franklin Stillman

O

OGLESBY, Richard James "Uncle Dick"
OLIVER, John Morrison
OPDYKE, (Samuel) Emerson
ORD, Edward Otho Cresap
ORME, William Ward
OSBORN, Thomas Ogden
OSTERHAUS, Peter Joseph
OWEN, Joshua Thomas "Paddy"

P

PAINE, Charles Jackson
PAINE, Eleazar Arthur
PAINE, Halbert Eleazer
PALMER, Innis Newton
PALMER, John McCauley
PARKE, John Grubb
PARSONS, Lewis Baldwin
PATRICK, Marsena Rudolph
PATTERSON, Francis Engle
PAUL, Gabriel René
PECK, John James
PENNYPACKER, Galusha
PENROSE, William Henry
PHELPS, John Smith
PHELPS, John Wolcott
PIATT, Abram Sanders
PIERCE, Byron Root
PILE, William Anderson
PITCHER, Thomas Gamble
PLEASONTON, Alfred
PLUMMER, Joseph Bennett
POE, Orlando Metcalfe
POPE, John
PORTER, Andrew
PORTER, Fitz John
POTTER, Edward Elmer
POTTER, Joseph Haydn
POTTER, Robert Brown
POTTS, Benjamin Franklin
POWELL, William Henry
PRATT, Calvin Edward
PRENTISS, Benjamin Mayberry
PRINCE, Henry

Q

QUINBY, Isaac Ferdinand

R

RAMSAY, George Douglas
RANSOM, Thomas Edward Greenfield
RAUM, Green Berry
RAWLINS, John Aaron
REID, Hugh Thompson
REILLY, James William
RENO, Jesse Lee
REVERE, Joseph Warren
REYNOLDS, John Fulton
REYNOLDS, Joseph Jones
RICE, Americus Vespucius
RICE, Elliott Warren
RICE, James Clay
RICE, Samuel Allen
RICHARDSON, Israel Bush "Fighting Dick"
RICKETTS, James Brewerton
RIPLEY, James Wolfe
ROBERTS, Benjamin Stone
ROBINSON, James Sidney
ROBINSON, John Cleveland
RODMAN, Isaac Peace
ROSECRANS, William Starke "Old Rosy"
ROSS, Leonard Fulton
ROUSSEAU, Lovell Harrison
ROWLEY, Thomas Algeo
RUCKER, Daniel Henry
RUGER, Thomas Howard
RUSSELL, David Allen

S

SALOMON, Friedrich (Frederick)
SANBORN, John Benjamin
SANDERS, William Price
SAXTON, Rufus
SCAMMON, Eliakim Parker
SCHENCK, Robert Cumming
SCHIMMELFENNIG, Alexander "Schimmel"
SCHOEPF, Albin Francisco
SCHOFIELD, John McAllister
SCHURZ, Carl
SCOTT, Robert Kingston
SCOTT, Winfield "Old Fuss and Feathers"
SEDGWICK, John
SEWARD, William Henry Jr
SEYMOUR, Truman
SHACKELFORD, James Murrell
SHALER, Alexander
SHEPARD, Isaac Fitzgerald
SHEPLEY, George Foster
SHERIDAN, Philip Henry
SHERMAN, Francis Trowbridge
SHERMAN, Thomas West
SHERMAN, William Tecumseh "Cump"
SHIELDS, James
SICKLES, Daniel Edgar
SIGEL, Franz
SILL, Joshua Woodrow
SLACK, James Richard
SLEMMER, Adam Jacoby
SLOCUM, Henry Warner
SLOUGH, John Potts
SMITH, Andrew Jackson
SMITH, Charles Ferguson
SMITH, Giles Alexander
SMITH, Green Clay
SMITH, Gustavus Adolphus
SMITH, John Eugene
SMITH, Morgan Lewis
SMITH, Thomas Church Haskell
SMITH, Thomas Kilby
SMITH, William Farrar "Baldy"
SMITH, William Sooy
SMYTH, Thomas Alfred
SPEARS, James Gallant
SPINOLA, Francis Barretto
SPRAGUE, John Wilson
STAHEL, Julius
STANLEY, David Sloane
STANNARD, George Jerrison
STARKWEATHER, John Converse
STEEDMAN, James Blair
STEELE, Frederick
STEVENS, Isaac Ingalls
STEVENSON, John Dunlap
STEVENSON, Thomas Greely
STOKES, James Hughes
STOLBRAND (STOHLBRAND), Charles John Meuller
STONE, Charles Pomeroy
STONEMAN, George
STOUGHTON, Edwin Henry
STRONG, George Crockett
STRONG, William Kerley
STUART, David
STUMBAUGH, Frederick Shearer
STURGIS, Samuel Davis
SULLIVAN, Jeremiah Cutler
SULLY, Alfred
SUMNER, Edwin Vose
SWAYNE, Wager
SWEENY, Thomas William
SYKES, George "Tardy George"

T

TAYLOR, George William
TAYLOR, Joseph Pannell
TAYLOR, Nelson
TERRILL, William Rufus
TERRY, Alfred Howe
TERRY, Henry Dwight
THAYER, John Milton
THOMAS, George Henry "Pap"
THOMAS, Henry Goddard
THOMAS, Lorenzo
THOMAS, Stephen
THRUSTON, Charles Mynn
TIBBITS, William Badger
TILLSON, Davis
TODD, John Blair Smith
TORBERT, Alfred Thomas Archimedes "Daisy"
TOTTEN, Joseph Gilbert
TOWER, Zealous Bates
TURCHIN, John Basil (Ivan Vasilovitch Turchininoff)
TURNER, John Wesley
TUTTLE, James Madison
TYLER, Daniel
TYLER, Erastus Bernard
TYLER, Robert Ogden
TYNDALE, (George) Hector

U

ULLMANN, Daniel
UNDERWOOD, Adin Ballou
UPTON, Emory

V

VAN ALEN, James Henry
VAN CLEVE, Horatio Phillips
VAN DERVEER, Ferdinand
VANDEVER, William
VAN VLIET, Stewart
VAN WYCK, Charles Henry
VEATCH, James Clifford
VIELE, Egbert Ludovicus
VINCENT, Strong
VINTON, Francis Laurens
VODGES, Israel
VON STEINWEHR, Baron Adolph Wilhelm August Friedrich

W

WADE, Melancthon Smith
WADSWORTH, James Samuel
WAGNER, George Day
WALCUTT, Charles Carroll
WALLACE, Lewis "Lew"
WALLACE, William Hervy Lamme
WARD, John Henry Hobart
WARD, William Thomas
WARNER, James Meech
WARREN, Fitz-Henry
WARREN, Gouverneur Kemble
WASHBURN, Cadwallader Colden
WATKINS, Louis Douglass
WEBB, Alexander Stewart
WEBER, Max (aka Von Weber)
WEBSTER, Joseph Dana
WEED, Stephen Hinsdale
WEITZEL, Godfrey
WELLS, William
WELSH, Thomas
WESSELLS, Henry Walton
WEST, Joseph Rodman
WHEATON, Frank
WHIPPLE, Amiel Weeks
WHIPPLE, William Denison
WHITAKER, Walter Chiles
WHITE, Julius
WILD, Edward Augustus
WILLCOX, Orlando Bolivar
WILLIAMS, Alpheus Starkey
WILLIAMS, David Henry
WILLIAMS, Nelson Grosvenor
WILLIAMS, Seth
WILLIAMS, Thomas
WILLIAMSON, James Alexander
WILLICH, August (aka Von Willich)
WILSON, James Harrison
WISTAR, Isaac Jones
WOOD, Thomas John
WOODBURY, Daniel Phineas
WOODS, Charles Robert
WOODS, William Burnham
WOOL, John Ellis
WRIGHT, George
WRIGHT, Horatio Gouverneur

Z

ZOOK, Samuel Kosciusko

Chris0827
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Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:52 pm

If you use the names of real generals then you'll get a lot of arguments from people about 3|1|1 ratings for certain generals. If you want to add 25 generals why not add 25 real ones with the correct ratings and forget about generic ones?

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:34 pm

i have to agree with chris...if we can pick out 25 lesser generals, and keep the discussion to the few that have been active, we should be able to come up with a list quickly. esp considering that we have some of the work already done w/ the missing leaders, and have a better understanding of how the game works...

i think i can knock out half the union 25 pretty quickly...

portraits can then be added at your leisure.

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:58 pm

If you wish...but I retain the right to set them all back to 3.1.1 for game balance purposes :king:

The goal of this was to add some 'real' flavor names to generic leaders, not to inflate the DB :indien:

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:09 pm

Why does the union only get 25? They barely have more generals to start with and their army is more than twice as large.

I can come up with the 25 confederates with ratings and pictures. This time tomorrow good enough?

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:26 pm

I'd be willing to bet that most of the "missing leaders" that get picked out are probably going to tend to the 3/1/1 - 3/2/2 range, so there probably won't be much to throw off the game balance....

I'll contintue to go through the orders of battle for various engagements, trying to pick up "important" division commanders that have been left out.....

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:55 pm

fromm ricks post in the missing generals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_M._Prentiss
(see link for picture)

This might be a bit of a reach...but its kind of a fun "what-if" idea so I'll throw it out there anyway. Prentiss was a division commander under Grant at the Battle of Shiloh. His troops famously held the "Hornet's Nest", and helped to fight off the Confederate army long enough so that Grant could patch together a defense on day 1, and launch his counterattack on day 2. His men took a pounding, but held on against numerous assaults. Finally, he and the 2000 survivors of his division surrendered, having bought Grant some precious time. This alone, would probably earn Prentiss a good "defensive" rating. After his exchange, Prentiss was promoted to Major General and fought in Arkansas in 1863.

Apparently Grant and Prentiss did not get along, which may have been the reason he was shipped to a lower visibility theater of the war upon his return. What if Prentiss had continued to fight in the more famous battles of 1863 and 1864....would he have gone on to stand out more in the history books?

I would recommend: 3/1/3 with the 3 for "defensive" as a nod to his work at Shiloh.
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I'd go with a 3-1-2 for prentiss

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:56 pm

from ricks post again:

Lewis "Lew" Wallace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Wallace
(see this link for picture)

Wallace would be an appropriate guy to have available by 1862 for the Union Player.

Wallace commanded a division under Grant at Fort Donnelson....after the fall of the fort he was bumped to Major General. At the Battle of Shiloh, Wallace had some problems with confusing orders and getting his troops to the field on time. As a result, he became a bit of a scapegoat, blamed with almost losing the battle for Grant. After this mess, Wallace was transfered to some less high profile assignments. Later, in 1864, Wallace shows up in the eastern theater where his troops were defeated by Jubal Early at the Battle of Monocacy Junction.

3/1/1 seems about right....

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:57 pm

again thanks to rick:

William H. French

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._French

more pictures:
http://www.generalsandbrevets.com/ngf/french.htm

French commanded a brigade during the Peninsula Campaign of 1862. From there he went on to command the third division of the II Corps during the battles of Antietam, Fredricksburg, and Chancellorsvillle. He was moved out of the Army of the Potomac briefly, but took command of the III Corps after Gettysburg. Meade accused him of being too slow, and he left the volunteer army after the III Corps was reorganized out of the Army of the Potomac.

I would suggest 2/1/1 or 3/1/1 with the addition of "Slow_Move" if you want some extra flavor.

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:58 pm

from runyan and rick:

USA Edwin Sumner ldr_USA_Sumner2 NULL NULL NULL NULL 6 8 2 6 General 1 NULL 3 1 1

nickname of bull

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:59 pm

again from rick:

Here's another fairly important leader to be considered for future versions of the game....

David B. Birney

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_B._Birney

Another "Political" general, Birney became a division commander after 2nd Bull Run. He commanded a division in the III Corps at Fredricksburg, Chancellorsville, and Gettysburg. By 1864, with the III Corps no longer in existance, he took over command of a division in the II Corps, which he led at The Wilderness, Spotsylvania, and Cold Harbor. After that he received command of the X Corps in the Army of the James.

Birney is known for being pretty unpopular with his men, and for having a couple of controversies with his fellow generals. As a result, "Quick_Angered" or "Dispirited_Leader" might apply.

I wouldn't do anything spectacular with his ratings:
division: 3/1/1
corps: 2/1/1

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:01 pm

from me and rick:

Phil Kearny

Traits: "Reckless" "Cavalryman"

Division: 4/3/2

Corps:3/3/2

Army:3/2/2

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Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:17 pm

There is a risk there will be far too many posts and counter posts for me to follow this clearly and without mistakes :nuts:

So I suggest that by friday latest, one of you makes a final list of the selected guys here, in one single post so I can get them all at once :indien:

Thanks

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:45 am

would it be easier if we gave one final ratings proposal in the missing generals forum?

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:46 am

I would rather have it here, otherwise I will end up mixed up with the missing generals (normal ones) and the generic ones. :tournepas

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:42 am

Being a Hungarian, I'd like to see ASBOTH, Alexander Sandor in the pool, if possible...Thx

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Union Generals to Be Added

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:03 pm

Francis Barlow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_C._Barlow
(for picture)

Historically, Barlow doesn't make his way up to division command until 1863. However, once he did get to that level, he was a pretty important figure. During Day 1 at Gettysburg, his division was in a pretty bad spot on the flank of the XI Corps, and once his troops were routed the entire Federal line began to crumble. Barlow did redeem himself during the rest of the war. Commanding a division in the II Corps during the 1864 Overland Campaign, he is famous for using some nifty tactics to make a break through at Spotsylvania.

Dispite looking like he was 12 years old, Barlow had a reputation as a tough disciplinarian, who was very agressive on the attack.

3/3/1 and "Reckless" at Division level

Francis P. Blair, Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Preston_Blair%2C_Jr.
(for picture)

A member of the prominent KY family, his brother was Lincoln's postmaster general until 1864. Blair was also a close friend of Thomas Hart Benton. Organized and equipped a militia to keep Missouri in the Union. When hostilities became inevitable, acting in conjunction with Captain (later General) Nathaniel Lyon, he suddenly transferred the arms in the Federal arsenal at St Louis to Alton, Illinois.

Blair was promoted brigadier general of volunteers in August 1862 and then to major general in November. He commanded a division in the Vicksburg campaign and in the fighting about Chattanooga, and was one of William T. Sherman's corps commanders in the final campaigns in Georgia and the Carolinas.

3-1-1 at Division level with Militiaman trait
3-1-1 at Corps level

Also, could have a higher political value then the average general.

David B. Birney

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_B._Birney

Another "Political" general, Birney became a division commander after 2nd Bull Run. He commanded a division in the III Corps at Fredricksburg, Chancellorsville, and Gettysburg. By 1864, with the III Corps no longer in existance, he took over command of a division in the II Corps, which he led at The Wilderness, Spotsylvania, and Cold Harbor. After that he received command of the X Corps in the Army of the James.

Birney is known for being pretty unpopular with his men, and for having a couple of controversies with his fellow generals. As a result, "Quick_Angered" or "Dispirited_Leader" might apply.

3/1/1 "Quick_Angered" at Division
2/1/1 "Quick_Angered" at Corps

Daniel Butterfield

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Butterfield
(for picture)

Credited with composing Taps, Butterfield commanded a brigade at the Second Battle of Bull Run and the Battle of Antietam, became division commander, and then V Corps commander for the Battle of Fredericksburg. His corps was one of those assaulting through the city and up against murderous fire from Marye's Heights.

3-1-1 at Division level
3-1-1 at Corps level

Thomas L. Crittenden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Leonidas_Crittenden
(for picture)

Member of the politically influential Crittenden family from Kentucky, he was appointed brigadier general of volunteers in September and placed in command of the 5th Division in the Army of the Ohio. He led the division at the Battle of Shiloh in 1862. After Shiloh he was appointed major general of volunteers and commanded the II Corps in the Army of the Ohio during the Perryville Campaign although his corps was only lightly engaged in the fighting. He received a brevet promotion to brigadier general in 1867 of regulars for his service at Stones River.

3-1-1 at Division level
3-1-1 at Corps level

Could also be given a slightly higher political value due to his family's political power and the status of KY as a border state. Could also be given the Militiaman trait due to his role in KY's militia.

William H. French

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._French

more pictures:
http://www.generalsandbrevets.com/ngf/french.htm

French commanded a brigade during the Peninsula Campaign of 1862. From there he went on to command the third division of the II Corps during the battles of Antietam, Fredricksburg, and Chancellorsvillle. He was moved out of the Army of the Potomac briefly, but took command of the III Corps after Gettysburg. Meade accused him of being too slow, and he left the volunteer army after the III Corps was reorganized out of the Army of the Potomac. Co-authored Instructions for Field Artillery

3/1/1 with the addition of "Slow_Move" and "Artillerist" at Division level


Francis J. Herron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_J._Herron

In April 1861, Herron was appointed captain of the 1st Iowa Volunteer Regiment. He served with Nathaniel Lyon's forces in Missouri, participating in the battles of Boonville and Wilson's Creek. Herron was promoted to lieutenant colonel of the 9th Iowa Volunteer Regiment and fought in the battle of Pea Ridge, where he was wounded and taken prisoner, but exchanged shortly afterwards. He received a promotion to brigadier general of volunteers for his actions in this battle, and later was awarded the Medal of Honor. He commanded both the 2nd and 3rd Divisions of the Army of the Frontier and made a forced march of 114 miles in three days to join James G. Blunt's division in western Arkansas. Herron's and Blunt's combined command engaged Thomas C. Hindman in the battle of Prairie Grove and forced to Confederates to abandon western Arkansas. For his actions at Prairie Grove, Herron was appointed major general of volunteers, becoming the youngest major general on either side at the time of his promotion.

His two divisions were consolidated to form "Herron's Division" which was attached to the XVII Corps during the Vicksburg Campaign. During the siege, Herron's division was placed on the extreme left flank of the Union siege lines. Upon the surrender of the city, Ulysses S. Grant chose Herron along with generals James B. McPherson and John A. Logan to lead the procession into the city and accept the formal surrender of arms on July 4, 1863. He next led the Yazoo City expedition, capturing the city, a Confederate fleet and supplies there. Herron was appointed to command of the XIII Corps and occupied the Texas coast with headquarters at Brownsville. During this time, he provided aid to Mexican President Benito Juárez and prevented French troops of Emperor Maximilian from establishing themselves along the Rio Grande. As the Civil War came to an end, Herron commanded the District of Northern Louisiana.

3-2-2 at Division level
3-1-1 at Corps level

Henry Jackson Hunt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._Hunt
(for picture)

Served as Chief of Artillery in the Army of the Potomac, widely considered by his contemporaries the greatest artillery tactician and strategist of the war, he was a master of the science of gunnery and rewrote the manual on the organization and use of artillery in early modern armies. Co-authored Instructions for Field Artillery.

Didn't command infantry, but was responsible for the Union artillery at Antietam and Gettysburg.

3-1-1 at Division level with "Artillerist"

Phil Kearny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Kearny
(for picture)

4/3/2 at Division with "Reckless" and "Cavalryman"

3/3/2 at Corps with "Reckless"

3/2/2 at Army (an interesting what if...)

Erasmus D. Keyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_D._Keyes
(see link for picture)

Keyes, who served as a Major General, is a candidate to get both a division commander entry and a corps commander entry. He led the IV Corps, Army of the Potomac during the Peninsula Campaign. After this campaign, the IV Corps was pulled from the Army of the Potomac and served as part of Dix's Dept. of VA.

3/1/1 for Corps and Division

John Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Newton_%28ACW%29
(for picture)

Highly regarded engineer, lead Reynolds division at Gettysburg, and later a division in Sherman's army.

3-1-1 at Division level with "Defensive_Engineer"

John Parke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Parke
(for picture)

Didn't see a battlefield command until 1863. At the start of the Civil War, Parke was appointed brigadier general of volunteers and commanded a brigade in the operations on the North Carolina coast in early 1862. He served as chief-of-staff to Ambrose Burnside during the battles of Antietam and Fredericksburg. He assumed command of the IX Corps and was sent to the Western Theater for the Vicksburg Campaign. He was chief-of-staff in the Army of the Ohio in the defense of Knoxville and chief-of-staff to Burnside during the Overland Campaign and beginning stages of the Siege of Petersburg. After the Battle of the Crater, Burnside was relieved of command and Parke assumed command of the IX Corps. In 1865, while Army of the Potomac commander George G. Meade was in a conference, Parke being senior officer was acting commander of the army during the Battle of Fort Stedman until Meade returned to the field. He led the IX Corps through the fall of Petersburg and the Appomattox Campaign. In 1865 he was brevetted major general and retired from the Army in 1889.

3-1-1 Corps level

Benjamin M. Prentiss

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_M._Prentiss
(see link for picture)

This might be a bit of a reach...but its kind of a fun "what-if" idea so I'll throw it out there anyway. Prentiss was a division commander under Grant at the Battle of Shiloh. His troops famously held the "Hornet's Nest", and helped to fight off the Confederate army long enough so that Grant could patch together a defense on day 1, and launch his counterattack on day 2. His men took a pounding, but held on against numerous assaults. Finally, he and the 2000 survivors of his division surrendered, having bought Grant some precious time. This alone, would probably earn Prentiss a good "defensive" rating. After his exchange, Prentiss was promoted to Major General and fought in Arkansas in 1863.

Apparently Grant and Prentiss did not get along, which may have been the reason he was shipped to a lower visibility theater of the war upon his return. What if Prentiss had continued to fight in the more famous battles of 1863 and 1864....would he have gone on to stand out more in the history books?

3-1-2 at Division level

James B. Ricketts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_B._Ricketts
(for picture)

Early in the Civil War, Ricketts served in the defenses of Washington, D.C., and commanded an artillery battery in the capture of Confederate-held Alexandria, Virginia, in early 1861. His battery was then attached to William B. Franklin's Brigade of Samuel Heintzelman's Division. He was shot four times and captured at the First Battle of Bull Run on 21 July, when his battery was overrun by Confederate infantry. For his personal bravery in the face of overwhelming odds, on that same day Ricketts was brevetted as a lieutenant colonel in the Regular Army, and made a brigadier general of U.S. volunteers. He was confined as a prisoner of war in Richmond. Ricketts was not paroled until January 1862, when he was placed on medical leave to recuperate.

He was assigned to command of a division in Irvin McDowell's corps, which he commanded at the Battle of Cedar Mountain, where he covered Nathaniel P. Banks' withdrawal. At Second Bull Run, his division was thrown forward by McDowell into Thoroughfare Gap to bar the advance of James Longstreet, who was seeking to unite his wing with that of Stonewall Jackson. Ricketts, who was being flanked and in danger of being cut off, withdrew. At the subsequent Battle of Antietam, he had two horses killed under him and he was badly injured when the second one fell on him.

He did not return to the field until March 1864, when he was assigned to a division of John Sedgwick's VI Corps, which he led through Ulysses S. Grant's Overland Campaign. His men were considered as low quality, many of them being former members of Robert H. Milroy’s maligned Winchester command. The division performed poorly at the Battle of the Wilderness and without note at Spotsylvania Court House. However, Ricketts received the brevet of colonel, Regular Army, for gallant and meritorious services at Cold Harbor, Virginia, 3 June 1864, where he and his men performed well.

In July 1864, his command, numbering only 3,350 men, was hurried north to oppose Jubal Early's attack on Washington, D.C. He fought at battle of Monocacy under Lew Wallace, suffering the heaviest losses. For his service there, he was brevetted Major General of Volunteers, August 1, 1864. He was engaged in Philip Sheridan's Shenandoah Valley Campaign. At the Battle of Cedar Creek, he commanded the VI Corps in the initial hours of the fighting but was wounded by a Minié ball through his chest that disabled him for life. On 13 March 1865, Ricketts was brevetted brigadier general, United States Army, for gallant services at Cedar Creek, and major general, United States Army, for "gallant and meritorious service in the field." Despite his poor health, he returned to command of his division two days before Robert E. Lee's surrender at Appomattox Court House.

4-1-1 at Division, possibly with Reckless and the new Lead from the front trait
3-1-1 at Corps with the Reckless trait



Israel B. Richardson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_B._Richardson

Nicknamed "Fighting Dick" for his prowess on the battlefield, he was mortally wounded at the Battle of Antietam. He commanded several brigades in the Army of the Potomac and then the 1st Division of the II Corps during the Peninsula Campaign in mid-1862. He was involved in the fighting at the battles of Yorktown, Seven Pines, and the Seven Days. He was particularly distinguished in sharp fighting near the Chickahominy River. Following the campaign, he was promoted to major general on July 4, 1862

3-1-1 at both Division level and Corps level (a what if?)

William F. Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Farrar_Smith
(for picture)

Smith, known to his friends as "Baldy", graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1845, and was assigned to the topographical engineers. He was twice assistant professor of mathematics at West Point (1846–48 and 1855–56). On July 4, 1862, he received promotion to the rank of major general of volunteers. Smith led his division with conspicuous valor at Antietam, and was again breveted in the regular army. When his corps commander, Maj. Gen. William B. Franklin, was reassigned to a superior command, Smith was placed at the head of the VI Corps of the Army of the Potomac, which he led at the disastrous Battle of Fredericksburg.

On October 3, 1863, Smith was assigned to duty as chief engineer of the Army of the Cumberland (and a couple of weeks later, the Military Division of the Mississippi). As such he conducted the engineer operations and launched the Battle of Wauhatchie, which opened the "Cracker Line" to provide supplies and reinforcements to the besieged troops in Chattanooga. Of this action the House Committee on Military Affairs reported in 1865 that "as a subordinate, General WF Smith had saved the Army of the Cumberland from capture, and afterwards directed it to victory." Smith was now again nominated for the rank of major general of volunteers, and Ulysses S. Grant, who was much impressed with Smith's work, insisted strongly that the nomination should be confirmed, which was accordingly done by the Senate on March 9, 1864. Grant, according to his own statement "was not long in finding out that the objections to Smith's promotion were well grounded"

3-1-1 at Division level

2-1-1 at Corps level due to his delay at Cold Harbor.

Isaac Stevens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_I._Stevens
(for picture)

Stevens graduated in 1839, at the top of his class, and served for a number of years with the Army Corps of Engineers.

He was the adjutant of the Corps of Engineers during the Mexican-American War, seeing action at the siege of Vera Cruz and at Cerro Gordo, Contreras, and Churubusco. He superintended fortifications on the New England coast from 1841 until 1849, when he assumed command of the coast survey office in Washington, D. C., serving in that role until March 1853.

When the Civil War began in 1861, following the Union defeat at the First Battle of Bull Run, Stevens was commissioned in the Army again. This time, he was Colonel of the 79th New York Volunteers, known as the "Cameron Highlanders." He became a brigadier general on September 28, 1861, and fought at Port Royal. He led the Second Brigade of the Expeditionary Forces sent to attack the Sea Islands off the coast of South Carolina. He led a division at the Battle of Secessionville, where he personally led an attack on Fort Lamar, losing 25% of his men.

Stevens was transferred with his IX Corps division to Virginia to serve under Maj. Gen. John Pope in the Northern Virginia Campaign and the Second Battle of Bull Run. He was killed in action at the Battle of Chantilly after picking up the fallen regimental colors of his old regiment, shouting "Highlanders, my Highlanders, follow your general!" Charging with his troops while carrying the banner of Saint Andrew's Cross, Stevens was struck in the head by a bullet and died instantly.

3-1-1 with "Reckless" and perhaps Korrigan's new "Front_Line" trait at Division and Corps level

Edwin "Bull Head" Sumner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Sumner
(for picture)

3-1-1 at Division level
3-1-1 at Corps level

James S. Wadsworth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._Wadsworth
(for picture)

Interesting character, came from a privileged background, lead the defense of Washington early in the war, where he fell out of favor with McClellan, left the service, ran for gov of NY, lost and returned to lead a division at Chancellorsville where he faltered, but then acheived defensive success and at Gettysburg.

3-1-2 with "Overcautious" at Division level

Lewis "Lew" Wallace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Wallace
(see this link for picture)

Wallace would be an appropriate guy to have available by 1862 for the Union Player.

Wallace commanded a division under Grant at Fort Donnelson....after the fall of the fort he was bumped to Major General. At the Battle of Shiloh, Wallace had some problems with confusing orders and getting his troops to the field on time. As a result, he became a bit of a scapegoat, blamed with almost losing the battle for Grant. After this mess, Wallace was transfered to some less high profile assignments. Later, in 1864, Wallace shows up in the eastern theater where his troops were defeated by Jubal Early at the Battle of Monocacy Junction.

3/1/1 at Division level

W.H.L. Wallace


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.H.L._Wallace
(for picture)

Mortally wounded at Shiloh. For his service in at Fort Donelson, Wallacewas appointed a brigadier general of volunteers. At the Battle of Shiloh, he was a new division commander, yet he managed to withstand six hours of assaults by the Confederates, directly next to the famous Hornet's Nest, or Sunken Road. When his division was finally surrounded, he ordered a withdrawal and many escaped, but he was mortally wounded and only later found barely alive on the battlefield by his troops. A favorite of Grant's.

3-2-1 at Division level
3-2-2 at Corps level (what if?)
Could possibly have an army entry as well. It may be interesting to see how Wallace plays out with higher ratings as a corp or army leader.

Alpheus S. Williams

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpheus_S._Williams
(for picture)

At the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, Williams was involved in training the first army volunteers in the state. He was promoted to brigadier general of volunteers on May 17, 1861. His first assignment after leaving the training camps was as a brigade commander in Maj. Gen. Nathaniel Banks's division of the Army of the Potomac, from October 1861 to March of 1862. He then assumed division command in the V Corps of the Army of the Potomac, as of March 13, 1862. This division was transferred to the Department of the Shenandoah from April to June of that year. Williams and Banks were sent to fight "Stonewall" Jackson in the Shenandoah Valley and were thoroughly outmaneuvered, allowing Jackson to bottle them up in the Valley with his much smaller force.

On June 26, Williams division was transferred to the Army of Virginia, under Maj. Gen. John Pope, for the Northern Virginia Campaign. In the Battle of Cedar Mountain, Banks's Corps was again up against Jackson, and was again defeated. Williams's division did not reach the Second Battle of Bull Run until after the battle was over.

Williams's division rejoined the Army of the Potomac as the 1st Division of the XII Corps and marched north in the Maryland Campaign to the Battle of Antietam. On the way, troops from the division found the famous Confederate "lost dispatch," Special Order 191, that revealed Gen. Robert E. Lee's plan for the campaign and gave Maj. Gen. George B. McClellan key insights on how to defeat Lee's divided army. The division was heavily engaged at Sharpsburg, once again up against Jackson on the Confederate left flank. The corps commander, Maj. Gen. Joseph K. Mansfield, was killed early in the battle and Williams assumed temporary command. The corps suffered 25% casualties in assaulting Jackson and was forced to withdraw. Maj. Gen. Henry W. Slocum replaced Williams as permanent corps commander immediately after the battle.

Williams's division missed the next major battle for the Army of the Potomac, the Battle of Fredericksburg, because it was engaged in defending the Potomac River. In the Battle of Chancellorsville, on May 2, 1863, Stonewall Jackson's corps executed a surprise flanking movement and smashed into the right flank of the Army of the Potomac, severely damaging the unsuspecting XI Corps. The neighboring division, under Williams, entrenched hastily and was able to stop the Confederate advance before it overran the entire army, but it suffered 1,500 casualties in the process.

In the Battle of Gettysburg, Williams's division arrived on the battlefield late in the afternoon of July 1, 1863, and occupied Benner's Hill, east of the town of Gettysburg.

On the afternoon of July 2, a massive attack by Lt. Gen. James Longstreet on the Union's left flank caused army commander Maj. Gen. George G. Meade to order Williams to transfer his entire corps to reinforce the left, in the vicinity of Little Round Top. Williams convinced Meade of the importance of Culp's Hill and managed to retain one brigade, under Brig. Gen. George S. Greene, in their defensive positions. Early on July 3, Williams launched an attack against the Confederates who had occupied some of the entrenchments on the hill and after a seven-hour battle, regained his original line. Unfortunately for Williams, General Slocum was late in writing his official report of the battle, and Meade submitted his report for the army without acknowledging the critical contributions that Williams and XII Corps made to the Union defense.

In September 1863, the Union army in Tennessee was defeated at the Battle of Chickamauga and two corps were sent west to help them as they were besieged in Chattanooga—the XI and XII Corps, combined due to their small sizes into a new XX Corps, Army of the Cumberland. Williams's division did not reach Chattanooga, but guarded railroads in eastern Tennessee. However, it did join Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman in the Atlanta Campaign and fought with distinction in a number of battles, particularly the Battle of Resaca.

3-1-1 at Division level
3-1-1 at Corps level

I could see an argument for lowering his strat rating, or giving Williams dispersed move, or slow mover, seeing as how he always seem to be either late for a fight, or in the wrong place when one erupted.

I'll incorporate any comments, etc, into this post...

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:13 pm

PhilThib wrote:We shall add some "named" generic generals to the game DB, using the list of real generals from the ACW.

These generals will come like 6 at start + 3 new ones per year, and will help players organize their divisions and corps. We plan to have a small DB of the 20-25 most important of these generals.

Please note the following restictions that are a MUST:

* All these leaders are valued 3.1.1, 0 Pol
* The have lowest seniority compare to the exisiting list
* They have no portraits (we just lack time for this)
* They have no abilities


Hello. I have a question abouth the generic generals and their ratings. (I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I did not see it anywhere.)

What is the justification of giving these generic generals a rating of 3-1-1? If these are going to basically "placeholder" generals that help the player to organize his units, should they give attack and defense bonuses to their men? Without knowing the inner workings of the game system, I would think 3-0-0 or 2-0-0 would be more appropriate for a generic leader. I just wonder if a 3-1-1 rating would cause players to use these generic leaders in front line situations instead of having to use "named" generals and any possible negative traits they may have.

It may just be the word 'generic', but I feel that if a general had average ability and had enough skill to give his troops a bonus on either the attack or defense, then that general should be named. Also, by having below average generic/replacement generals, a player may be more focused on keeping his named generals alive if he knows that the generic generals will be of no help to his war plans.

Of course, I could be completely wrong :nuts: but I just wanted to throw the question out there.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the release of this game. Playing ACW games for almost 30 years (on the computer for over 15+) and this game has got me VERY interested. I think this is the game I have been waiting a long, long time for.

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:37 pm

On the topic of run of the mill leaders being 3-1-1 or 3-0-0, it comes down to a design decision. Although a '1' gives a bonus, it won't really be a bonus in the end if every leader has at least a '1', as both the attacker and the defender are likely to have at least a '1' value.

If you want some of the named leaders to be below average, then you can give them a '0', and he will be worse than the average guy.

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:28 pm

plus...i thought we're trying to avoid joe general with the listings above?

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:34 pm

frank7350 wrote:plus...i thought we're trying to avoid joe general with the listings above?


If I understand Phil correctly, he is looking for a list of 25 guys who will get named, but will initially get 'Joe General' stats as a quick and dirty way of rounding out the leader rosters, with a minimum of fuss for now.

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:36 pm

We are changing focus in fact. The 25 new leaders or so requested can now be discussed in length for their actual stats and abilities, but they will be 'generic' in the sense that they won't get custom portraits. Ideally you can list them by descending order of priority, who know in the future we can perhaps add some portraits regularly.

True generic would be nameless leaders with stats like 3-0-0, but we feel there is enough historical buffs around to get a bit further than that (and by the way, we thanks you all for your great help in making AACW even better!) :coeurs:
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:28 pm

well, i think most of the guys above are ok at 3-1-1 for the most part...solid leaders, etc. a few like kearny and whl wallace may have slightly higher ratings, but i think we're looking at a group of mostly 3-1-1s

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Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:55 pm

I know I am a bit late but here's some info on Asboth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Asboth

Asboth remained in the United States and joined the Union. Starting in July 1861, he served as chief of staff for General John C. Frémont. On September 26, 1861, he was promoted to brigadier general and assigned commanded of the 4th Division in Frémont's western campaign. Asboth later led a division under Samuel Curtis, and during the Arkansas campaign occupied Bentonville and Fayetteville. He participated in the Battle of Pea Ridge,leading troops at the Little Sugar Creek position. His arm was seriously wounded while bringing reinforcements to support Colonel Eugene A. Carr.

Asboth later commanded garrisons in Kentucky and Ohio. In August 1863, Asboth was assigned to the District of West Florida, with his headquarters at Fort Pickens. He was badly wounded in the Battle of Marianna on September 27, 1864, his left cheek-bone being broken and his left arm fractured in two places.

http://www.sk-szeged.hu/szolgaltatas/vasvary/newsletter/03dec/beszedits.html
(middle of the page)

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Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:55 pm

I'll check i have him in my 1861-1862 scenarios :sourcil:

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Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:15 am

Splendid! :dada:

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