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I don't know if this is a modding issue, but it is also a gameplay issue (as to where to use which generals).

This is regarding Leader statistics. I am pretty sure I understand what the Strategic rating does, and when it is applied and useful, but, I am not as sure regarding Attack and Defense.

#1. Do these values add on to a unit's Offensive and/or Defensive fire? For example...

Unit 1: Offensive Fire 10, Defensive Fire 16

Leader A: @ 3-1-1

Leader B: @ 3-2-2

Leader A with Unit 1: Offensive Fire 11, Defensive Fire 17
Leader B with Unit 1: Offensive Fire 12, Defensive Fire 18

Is this how it works?

#2. What is applied, the stack leader, the 'division' leader, or the Army leader?

Say I have a force composed of the following engaged in combat.

Army Leader - *** Leader 4-4-4
Corps Leader - ** Leader 3-3-3
Division Leader - * Leader 3-1-1

Now, for the regiments in the Division, do they get bonus' from the Army Leader (4 Attack, 4 Defense), the Corps Leader (3 Attack, 3 Defense) or Division Leader (1 Attack, 1 Defense) or a combination?

#3. How is the bonus calculated for Army Leader Attack and Defense ratings?

I know that Strategic rating bonus from army to corps is calculated by...

Army Strategic -2 +Corps Strategic (as above 4 - 2 + 3 = 5)

Do attack and defense ratings work with a -2 modifier or a different one, or none at all when the Army leader transfers skill to the Corps leader?

The attack/defense numbers give a percentage bonus to the strength of the unit, at 5% per point.

How the strength numbers factor into combat, I really don't know, because I don't know how the game calculates battles.

As far as who the bonus applies to, I assume divison leaders lend their bonus, and then corps commanders.

So, I assume a divsion with a strength of 200 would get a 10% bonus from a division leader with a rating of 2, and then another 10% bonus from a corps commander with the same rating. So 200*1.1*1.1=242

Also, remember that Army leaders pass bonuses along to the corps commanders' stats, but don't add another 'layer' of bonuses to the units. Not 200*1.1*1.1*1.1=266 for example.

That's what I think, but I could be wrong.

runyan99 wrote:The attack/defense numbers give a percentage bonus to the strength of the unit, at 5% per point.

How the strength numbers factor into combat, I really don't know, because I don't know how the game calculates battles.

As far as who the bonus applies to, I assume divison leaders lend their bonus, and then corps commanders.

So, I assume a divsion with a strength of 200 would get a 10% bonus from a division leader with a rating of 2, and then another 10% bonus from a corps commander with the same rating. So 200*1.1*1.1=242

Also, remember that Army leaders pass bonuses along to the corps commanders' stats, but don't add another 'layer' of bonuses to the units. Not 200*1.1*1.1*1.1=266 for example.

That's what I think, but I could be wrong.

Well, I think that after a few tests I have discovered a few generalizations, although I am not entirely sure of the reasoning behind it.

I gathered 3 leaders. A 3-0-0, 3-1-1 and 3-2-2. I put them in various levels of command, and found that both the stack commander's combat abilities, and the divisional commander's combat abilities affect the strength.

The only factor changing is the stack commander (the divisional commander remains at 3-1-1)

With the 3-0-0 in command of the stack (corps for simplicity sake, but all are 1 star) I found that a unit 'lost' strength. For example, a 325 division went down to 300 (stack's total power, the division showed 325) when the 3-0-0 was in charge of the stack. When a 3-1-1 was in charge of the stack, the division and stack power remained the same (at 325 for both). When the 3-2-2 was in charge of the stack, the power increased to 350 (or something like that).

Also, the division commander directly affected the strength, although they appear to affect it somewhat less than the corps commander.

So, while Divison and Stack commanders are important, having a good Stack commander is more important than good division commanders. However, I am not sure on the aspects of the units that the attack and defence values affect, and to what extent (increasing ability of particular element statistics will increase the combat value, but I am not sure what it changes, and to what extent).

So, I have noticed that a 3-1-1 stack commander applies no bonus to the stack. A 3-0-0 stack commander places a penalty on the stack. A 3-2-2 (or more) places a bonus on the stack.

However, I noticed that a 3-0-0 divisional commander increases the power of the stack (albiet not by much). Here's a test done on a 60 point brigade attached to a 3-0-0, 3-1-1 and 3-2-2.

60 point brigade attached to the 3-0-0 resulted in a brigade strength of 64
60 point brigade attached to the 3-1-1 resulted in a brigade strength of 66
60 point brigade attached to the 3-2-2 resulted in a brigade strength of 68

So, it seems like a 3-0-0 is actually more useful as a divisional/brigade commander, as applied to the unit they still give a bonus (while applied to a stack they initiate penalties). Also, the increase from a 3-0-0 to a 3-1-1 in power is neglegable (adding a 3-0-0 gives a 60 point brigade +4, while adding a 3-1-1 gives a 60 point brigade a +6). Based on these rates (which I believe are constantly going up by +2 for a 60 point unit), a 3-6-6 would give a 60 point brigade a +16. Indeed, the larger the unit, the greater the impact, but, a 3-0-0 is still very useful given that most units are 3-1-1 (currently).

I have no clue as to what rate the increase is based on attack or defense (for example, if a 3-0-1 is better/worse/same as a 3-1-0), or how much strategy may take a part in divisional strength (if any).

I would appreciate it if someone from AGEOD could lay out the way Armies, Corps and Divisions use the three different stats (Strategic, Offensive, Defensive).

Thanks!

Did another test, this time had Hooker in command. Three leaders, a 4-1-1, 3-1-1 and 3-0-0 were in a stack with Hooker and a 66 point brigade.

With everyone detached, and Hooker in command, the value of the stack was 79. With the 4-1-1 in command, the stack value was 79. With the 3-1-1 in command, the stack value was 79. With the 3-0-0 in command, the stack value was 79...

So, it seems like the modifier is based primarily on the corps leader, as well as other factors (each general, I suppose gives a particular bonus, and in the end, regardless on who is in command of the division, the total stack remains the same power). The divisional power changed, with who was in command, but, the power of the stack remained the same.