Question - recruitment

[Morpheus]

Hi,

Is it possible to recruit troops in CSA states like Virginia, the Carolinas, Louisiana etc as The Union player?

Thanks

Si

[W.Barksdale]

Hi!

Not really no. You do, however, get loyalist bde's from some of these states by event though.

[Morpheus]

Thanks....

Always been confusing! :-) The manual says that if you control a strategic city then you can recruit - but from experience that is only for the border states Kentucky and Missouri - with Delaware by event for the CSA..... :-)

Ta

Si

[Ethan]

Hi all!

In any case, Morpheus, as you capture your enemy's major cities will increase the number of conscripts that you receive in turn. This means that conscripts that these cities produce will be for you.

Regards!

[Morpheus]

Thanks Ethan!



I do remember seeing an event about CSA being able to recruit in MD and DE?

Is this true???

[Jim-NC]

No, but by event, you get certain units from MD (IIRC you get the "Marland Line Brigade" for example) as the CSA.

[Ethan]

Thanks Ethan!

Great!

Have fun playing!!

Greetings!

[Gray_Lensman]

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[Carrington]

Does this change after Emancipation Proclamation and the decision to recruit black troops?

[Gray_Lensman]

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[Captain_Orso]

I think you guys are talking about two different things here.

Gray is right in that you cannot build units in states that started out completely controlled by the opposing faction, even the boarder states, even if later completely controlled by your faction. To do that, as Gray has stated, an event would have to trigger to put such units into the force pool. However, the Confederates and the Union can both build units in the states that start the full campaign partially controlled by both factions, Kentucky and Missouri.

Morpheus is correct in that you can receive conscripts (recruits) from major captured cities regardless of where they are. I believe that the higher the loyalty to your faction in that region, the more conscripts are recruited.

I also believe that leaders with the Patriot ability (Sickles, Hindman, Price and Forest) will raise the number of conscripts being recruited in those cities, but they only have to be in the state and not just the city. At least that's what the description says.

[Ethan]

Hi all!

Captain_Orso, I think you you're mixing two different abilities.

The ability which increases the number of conscripts in turn is "Recruiting Officer", according to which the general who has that ability can muster new conscripts on a regular basis in cities of level +5. Must be in the city to do so. The Union (or USA) generals who possess this ability are Nathaniel Banks, John McClernand and Ambrose Burnside. The only CSA general who has this ability is Charles W. Field, if I do not mistake.

According to "Patriot" ability, a general gives a 25% bonus to the raise of partisans and volunteers in the State where he is present. The only USA general who has this ability is Daniel Sickles. The CSA generals are Sterling Price, Thomas C. Hindman and Nathan B. Forrest.

I think those abilities are different, IMHO.

Regards!

[Carrington]

Interesting... actually I recall being bothered, briefly, by the force pool for the United States Colored Troops (USCT).

My impression is that most of the 180 regiments in the USCT fought (and garrisoned) fairly near where they were raised. Wiki gives the numbers as about 90k (of 178k) raised in 'The South,' not including KY, and MD -- two other major contributors. I don't know much about these units, but it seems unlikely that black recruits were shipped North for mobilization.

Presumably the issue hasn't come up that often for most players, mainly because few games 'go the distance' to the late-war period, when the USCT become significant. That said, 180,000 troops is a lot, especially in the context of a war of attrition.

(and, for that matter, the real war itself came to a conclusion before the Confederacy was able to act on plans for recruitment of black troops.).

The question does also open something of a can of worms about what it means to call slave-holding regions of the south "Southern Controlled."

[Captain_Orso]

Hi Ethan,
I meant to say that they were somewhat similar abilities, not that they were the same. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My assumption is that the 25% increase in 'Volunteers' is an increase in the number of 'conscripts' receive in that state. But conscripts are only raised in cities, thus that would be the only place to note any increase.
It's a difficult thing to determine how well this works at all. Point in fact, at the end of my last game I had captured and garrisoned every city in Georgia and had Sickles in Savannah and was receiving 2 conscript companies per turn in Atlanta but nowhere else.
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City ____________ Level US_Loyalty Conscripts
Atlanta GA _______ 4 ___ 81% ______ 2
Columbus GA ______ 4 ___ 80 _______ 0
Savannah GA ______ 4 ___ 78 _______ 0
Nashville GA _____ 4 ___ 12 _______ 0
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If I move Sickles out of Georgia there is no difference. Maybe because the Ability doesn't trigger because 25% of 2 is 1/2 rounded down is 0.
But how conscripts are recruited in cities is a bit of a mystery to me anyway, other than using the Recruiting Officer Ability. Here's what a couple of norther cities look like at the same time as the statistic in GA:
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City ____________ Level US_Loyalty Conscripts
Philadelphia PA __ 15 __ 100% _____ 2
Pittsburgh PA _____ 6 __ 100 ______ 2
Allegheny PA ______ 5 __ 100 ______ 0
Brooklyne NY _____ 10 __ 100 ______ 0
Washington DC _____ 6 __ 100 ______ 9
Baltimore MD _____ 10 __ 100 ______ 2
[/font]

Hi Carrington,
the Union was recruiting and training blacks in the field in ever increasing numbers starting around early '63. The battle of Young's Point in June '63 comes to mind.
I believe that the game simplifies the fact by providing 'Colored Brigades' in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York (anywhere else?) starting early in '63 even without selecting the 'Colored Volunteers' option.
It would be interesting to be able to build 'Colored Brigades' in captured southern regions, but probably pretty difficult to script, being that such regions can change hands pretty quickly and often. Historically, I don't know how well such recruitment was actually planned or foreseeable. Probably not nearly as well as what is represented by the normal building of brigades in the original Union states and regions as presently in the game. But it is an interesting idea.

[Pocus]

The conscript trickle received from a given region is defined by setup in the scenario, and is not tied to the city level. We did not want to represent population centers really, as conscription was made by volunteers (or so called volunteers) call and not continuously.

So the conscripts points are more to be considered as a bonus than anything else.

[Carrington]

Hi Carrington,
the Union was recruiting and training blacks in the field in ever increasing numbers starting around early '63. The battle of Young's Point in June '63 comes to mind.
I believe that the game simplifies the fact by providing 'Colored Brigades' in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York (anywhere else?) starting early in '63 even without selecting the 'Colored Volunteers' option.
It would be interesting to be able to build 'Colored Brigades' in captured southern regions, but probably pretty difficult to script, being that such regions can change hands pretty quickly and often. Historically, I don't know how well such recruitment was actually planned or foreseeable. Probably not nearly as well as what is represented by the normal building of brigades in the original Union states and regions as presently in the game. But it is an interesting idea.

^^^^^... Landwehr with better uniforms. Which is part of the reason I think the USCT are a particularly interesting element of the history -- their strategic and political significance might have approached that of the Prussian Landwehr of the 1813=1815 period.

Cpt. Orso, thanks for the reply. Interesting point about the scripting -- I don't really know the limitations and possibilities of the existing engine, nor do I know the history all that well. It'd take digging into the history to get a better sense of the recruitment practices overall.

That said, there's some glancing mention in the movie 'Glory' (the couple scenes of locally levied and undisciplined black troops). And the documentation on Milliken's Bend (near Vicksburg) might be illustrative -- e.g. the 1st Mississippi Regiment (Union) was recruited on May 22, 1863, and 'sees the elephant' 16 days later (in game terms, it was a militia regiment that 'aced' its morale rolls to repel a Confederate attack. I get the sense that this particular unit may be represented by the random placement of the 'Corps de' Afrique' but I think a better simulation would allow for more extensive and ongoing Union recruitment of militia units in the South (or perhaps as a compromise, in Union-controlled coastal forts).

[Ethan]

Hi Ethan,
I meant to say that they were somewhat similar abilities, not that they were the same. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Don't worry, friend!

Greetings!

[Pat "Stonewall" Cleburne]

Hi Ethan,
I meant to say that they were somewhat similar abilities, not that they were the same. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My assumption is that the 25% increase in 'Volunteers' is an increase in the number of 'conscripts' receive in that state. But conscripts are only raised in cities, thus that would be the only place to note any increase.
It's a difficult thing to determine how well this works at all. Point in fact, at the end of my last game I had captured and garrisoned every city in Georgia and had Sickles in Savannah and was receiving 2 conscript companies per turn in Atlanta but nowhere else.
[font="Courier New"]
City ____________ Level US_Loyalty Conscripts
Atlanta GA _______ 4 ___ 81% ______ 2
Columbus GA ______ 4 ___ 80 _______ 0
Savannah GA ______ 4 ___ 78 _______ 0
Nashville GA _____ 4 ___ 12 _______ 0
[/font]
If I move Sickles out of Georgia there is no difference. Maybe because the Ability doesn't trigger because 25% of 2 is 1/2 rounded down is 0.
But how conscripts are recruited in cities is a bit of a mystery to me anyway, other than using the Recruiting Officer Ability. Here's what a couple of norther cities look like at the same time as the statistic in GA:
[font="Courier New"]
City ____________ Level US_Loyalty Conscripts
Philadelphia PA __ 15 __ 100% _____ 2
Pittsburgh PA _____ 6 __ 100 ______ 2
Allegheny PA ______ 5 __ 100 ______ 0
Brooklyne NY _____ 10 __ 100 ______ 0
Washington DC _____ 6 __ 100 ______ 9
Baltimore MD _____ 10 __ 100 ______ 2
[/font]

The way I understand it, the Patriot ability is tied to those pre set events where random static militia pop up all around the states. I'm not sure about the north but it happens twice a year or so for the south and includes partisans as well. Patriot just makes more of those units pop up inside that state. It doesn't affect conscription.

As for city recruitment, most capital cities add 1-2 conscripts depending on national moral. Richmond/Washington add more.