Leader strat/off/def bonus increases

[Heldenkaiser]

Which of the following statements is correct?

1) Army commanders pass down bonuses for strat/off/def ratings not only to corps commanders, but also to division commanders within the corps.

2) Division commanders within a corps can have their ratings increased quickly by combat experience, even though losing.

It's got to be one of these, and I have no idea which, because they seem both rather unlikely to me. The situation is this: Grant is army commander, Kearny is corps commander. Kearny loses a series of battles (big time), yet Keyes and Hamilton as division commanders in his corps afterwards have fantastic ratings (4-6-5 and 5-5-5 IIRC) that are way higher than the starting values. So whence did they get the increases? Thanks.

[arsan]

Army commanders pass bonus (or "malus") only to their corps commanders.
The tooltip over the corps badge tells you how much IIRC.
Division leaders (well, any leader in fact) don't get those bonus, but they may increase in ratings through combat experience, like units (the stars on the unit detail screen).
IIRC the first stars gives +1 deff, the second +1 off etc.
I'm not sure if the strat rating increase with exp.

Units get experience by killing enemy elements, no matter if they win or lose the battle. I guess Leaders will get experience if the unist they command kill enemies, no matter if the lose or win the battle.
But i'm basically guessing here, so don't believe too much
Cheers

[Heldenkaiser]

Thanks, Arsan. Well, one way or the other Keyes and Hamilton must have gotten these rather impressive (from a Union perspective) ratings. I am at the office and can't look, but I seem to recall that both are rather in the slightly better than 3-1-1 range to start with. 5-5-5 is pretty nice. I think Grant doesn't even start rated that good.

[Pocus]

That would mean their division butchered quite a number of enemy troops indeed...

Division commanders get experience when their elements kill others elements, and lose when they have their elements destroyed.
The elements within the division are boosted by the division commander plus the corps commander, which is himself boosted by the army commander, BUT the division commander is not boosted directly.

[Jim-NC]

Experience effects the offensive and defensive traits in generals. See my link below:

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14311&highlight=experience

I played until 1866, and never saw my generals strat ratings move.

[enf91]

Maybe you're playing with randomized general stats?

[Heldenkaiser]

That would mean their division butchered quite a number of enemy troops indeed....

Well, now that you mention it, yes. In fact I posted about that other battle a few days ago where I destroyed 19 enemy elements and was told I lost 8 NM (but it turned out I won them)? That was likely the same corps.

[Heldenkaiser]

Maybe you're playing with randomized general stats?

Nope. Though I think one day I will.

[Heldenkaiser]

Experience effects the offensive and defensive traits in generals. See my link below:

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14311&highlight=experience

I played until 1866, and never saw my generals strat ratings move.

Interesting thread! I'll watch the strat rating more closely.

[Heldenkaiser]

I just confirmed that Keyes and Hamilton are both 3-1-1 at start. Their four weeks of fighting in my campaign brought them increases of +1 +2 +5 (Keyes) and +2 +4 +4 (Hamilton). Not bad, and yes, the strat rating does improve.

[enf91]

Keyes' numbers can't be right. DEF always increases 1:1 wit OFF. I haven't seen STR increases with exp, so I don't know how that works. Actually, I have, but it was in 1.08 or so.

[blackbird]

I just confirmed that Keyes and Hamilton are both 3-1-1 at start. Their four weeks of fighting in my campaign brought them increases of +1 +2 +5 (Keyes) and +2 +4 +4 (Hamilton). Not bad, and yes, the strat rating does improve.

Keyes' numbers can't be right. DEF always increases 1:1 wit OFF. I haven't seen STR increases with exp, so I don't know how that works. Actually, I have, but it was in 1.08 or so.

Granted that I am a bit new to this game, but could we be talking about different things here? Perhaps Heldenkaiser's numbers are coming after a Corps or Army conferred bonus and not innate experience derived leadership ability numbers???

[Pat "Stonewall" Cleburne]

I think I've noticed recently that you can get core bonuses for multiple generals. If you form a corps with one general and get the bonus next turn, then place a general with a higher seniority into the corps, they take over and get the bonus too. I think this is what I saw but I could be wrong. I'll have to see if I can recreate it.

[Heldenkaiser]

Granted that I am a bit new to this game, but could we be talking about different things here? Perhaps Heldenkaiser's numbers are coming after a Corps or Army conferred bonus and not innate experience derived leadership ability numbers???

No. See above. They are division commanders and don't receive a bonus from army. Besides, just to be sure I isolated them. The numbers remained the same.

[Heldenkaiser]

I think I've noticed recently that you can get core bonuses for multiple generals. If you form a corps with one general and get the bonus next turn, then place a general with a higher seniority into the corps, they take over and get the bonus too. I think this is what I saw but I could be wrong. I'll have to see if I can recreate it.

That does sound possible. The corps was first headed by Hamilton, then Keyes' division was added, with him being senior and becoming corps commander, then I added Kearny. But shouldn't the ratings for the previous commanders go down in the next turn?

Also, the increases for Hamilton are much higher than those for Keyes, and different from the bonus conveyed by Grant.