Which wargame or strategy game would you like that AGEod develops in the middle term

[Syt]

I would love a 30 Years War game, but

... I'm currently reading the new book "Europe's Tragedy - A New History of the Thirty Years War", giving a pretty deep overview of the conflict (850+ pages of pure text, plus nicely drawn battle maps), but reading through I have to say I have serious doubts if there's any chance to model this war appropriately in a game.

Not only do you have the complexities of the Holy Roman Empire, but you have the whole economic aspect (financing an army and generating revenue), the relations within Germany, between the other powers (Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, France, Ottomans, Dutch, Transylvanians etc.), the fringe theaters (Baltic, Netherlands, Italy, Balkans ... ) and a whole lot of the proceedings depended on persons who led armies, swtched sides, bartered for influence and territory, converted and re-converted as fit their personal goals, dynastic aspects, reforms and counter-reforms etc. etc.

[Field Marshall]

Yeah for NCP2!! A fine game and one of the few things needing to be changed!!

[Matin]

Not only do you have the complexities of the Holy Roman Empire, but you have the whole economic aspect (financing an army and generating revenue), the relations within Germany, between the other powers (Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, France, Ottomans, Dutch, Transylvanians etc.), the fringe theaters (Baltic, Netherlands, Italy, Balkans ... ) and a whole lot of the proceedings depended on persons who led armies, swtched sides, bartered for influence and territory, converted and re-converted as fit their personal goals, dynastic aspects, reforms and counter-reforms etc. etc.

that's what makes this topic so appealing! But i think a lot of that can be scaled down..

[Palpat]

I'm sure some good games can be made out of late 17th Century and early 18th Century:
-Louis XIV wars, especially the two big ones.
-Habsbourg wars against the Turks with Wien siege and the begining of the reconquista there,
-Great Northern war...

It would require only minor engine and combat system adaptation, by the way.

[Anguille]

I wish "the Mughals" or "the conquest of India"...

Dreaming

[ham]

Is it time to　decide on next game which reflects this vote?

[PhilThib]

Looks like Napoleon 2 and an 'Antics' game are more or less sharing the first place, no ?

[Nikel]

Looks like Napoleon 2 and an 'Antics' game are more or less sharing the first place, no ?

Is any of AGEod's Peloponnesian War or AGEod's Julius Caesar's Campaigns, the secret project?

[Carnium]

Is any of AGEod's Peloponnesian War or AGEod's Julius Caesar's Campaigns, the secret project?

Well the Punic Wars Project seems to be on hold/discontinued... but is it really ?

[PhilThib]

It's only on hold for lack of volunteers & testers ... it could be revived with a suitable team, but all our resources are currently focused on other issues

[caranorn]

I'd still be available to test Punic Wars to a certain degree, just can't do the graphics as I'd originally thought. It just takes too much time for me to get back to drawing those kinds of images after an entire year without doing any graphics work...

By the way, WWII would have done well here too had it not been split into so many variants. Though I'm not sure how the Age engine would handle that conflict, we will probably know after VGN is out. Anyhow, if a WWII game ever becomes a serious option I'd gladly jump in on the team for order of battle toe and the like work...

[wosung]

By the way, WWII would have done well here too had it not been split into so many variants. Though I'm not sure how the Age engine would handle that conflict, we will probably know after VGN is out.

That's what I think as well. There really aren't that much WW2 global games available...

Regards

[W.Barksdale]

That's what I think as well. There really aren't that much WW2 global games available...

Regards

Agreed. A global WW2 AGEOD game would be just epic! A turn based game like this, maybe simplified with USA, UK, Soviets, Germany, Japan, most likely be the best mp game ever. I grow excited just thinking about this

[pjwheeling]

Just saw this posting for the first time. I would like to see the Peloponesian War or Ancient Rome. Either would be great.

Patrick

[ancient seaman]

I believe that the engine would work well with an ancient times game of which there aren't many good ones around.
Strategy games for Vietnam don't exist iirc and assuming it is possible to put the air warfare in ageod games i would really like to have such one.
Maybe VGN will introduce the air force so will see how it plays.

[PhilThib]

VGN will have some kind of simplified 'air warfare' module, to fit with its time frame (1850-1920)...a more complex air war engine is not yet on the plan, but would be built upon such a basis...

[tagwyn]

Phil: Will PI let you do such things? At AGEOD, you are "riding the back of the tiger." t

[Pocus]

AGEOD will still be self-run even for this kind of choice. Let's hope for the best, not fear for the worst in 2010.

And let's not derail this thread, there are already several about "what will really happen to AGEOD"

[dduff442]

While I'm unsure of the commercial attractiveness of the Peloponnesian war I can say any well-modeled game of this conflict would play brilliantly.

I recently read Donald Kagan's book on the conflict, logically called The Peloponnesian War, and thoroughly enjoyed it. All the data needed to model the war is there: the state of the Athenian treasury and its sources of funding, the costs of keeping a trireme at sea or an army in the field, the strengths of the different factions in the various cities etc. etc.

The non-symmetric strategic options available to Athens and Sparta, the ideological warfare between the sides, the subversion this involved, the intra-alliance tensions, the need to attract neutrals and the problems of long-distance communications and overseas basing all gave the conflict powerful resonances of the cold war.

It's no surprise this relatively tiny war has galvanised people's imagination for 2500 years. The story has more twists and turns than a pulp novel and a cast of outstanding characters more than a few of which are still famous today.

Any game that grasped the war's essential elements of trade, communications, finance, ideology and inter- and intra-alliance as well as domestic politics would be a classic.

[Nikel]

I also would like to see a APW (AGEod Peloponnesian War) .

This war seems to fit perfectly in AGE engine, leaders, two sides, land and naval components, some diplomacy that I suppose we will see in RoP,...


Looked for some information and there is a boardgame The Epic of the Peloponnesian War, that looks very good though apparently is not very popular

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/13498/the-epic-of-the-peloponnesian-war


Review

http://grognard.com/reviews1/epicpelo.txt


Rules updated

http://www.thewargamer.com/grognard/epw2.pdf


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Like it is said in the review I would prefer that AGEod uses a map like this, with Sicily not in a box






PhilThib, Pocus, any hope we can see in the future APW?

[Anguille]

Now...this is something i would buy at once.

Generally, the Antics is my favorite timeperiod.

Still, i would love a game on the Indian sub-continent.

[PhilThib]

This is a subject I know quite well and it should not be too difficult to do...however, our small team is 200% full of work on current projects till end of 2010 at least, so no hope to do so in the close future.

Nevertheless, there are obvious possibilities to do this game earlier with an adequate "beta" team from the community, a bit like Paradox has done with community members on EU2 HOI2.... we could help build the team and give support...

We already have at least one team of motivated community members working on another project with AGEOD engine...so why not this one, with another team...

Find me 3 guys that have a good motivation to supply research data and fill a few Excel files and we can work this out.

[Nikel]

Yes, of course I was talking about a more or less distant future


You already have a team of motivated community members working on another project with AGEOD engine? Do you mean 2nd Punic War or something else?


3 motivated members! Beren, do you know another 2? Do you have experience with excel?

[PhilThib]

You don't need to be an "expert" with excel...in fact you have to fill data in the right place, and it just requires logic. You can even use OpenOffice if you don't have Excel.

Here is what is required more or less:

1 - Find data about the subject and make initial choices: time frame, game scale (time and distance), theater of operation, nations involved, number of different models and units to be made (find portraits), leaders...

2 - Make a rough map: no need to be an artist, just region borders outline will be enough. Then we can make the map prototype with our own tools here, so you can have something to test

3 - Make Models and Units DB files: this use excel...it's where you fill all the numerical info

4 - Write Events: decide which, when, how many, find titles and texts. Later in the project, we shall script them

When the team has decided how to share the work on this, and an evaluation of the time needed is made, then we can assist you in working out the 'real' production of this (including finding finance to pay the artist who shall do some of the required work)...

If this can be done and you build a team, contact me by PM for further details

[caranorn]

On another topic (WWII) I'd volunteer right away. But can't really help with the Peloponesian War...

[Nikel]

Yes, only that is needed

Beren is another spanish member that has some experience with this conflict, perhaps he can comment something

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14238&page=4&highlight=map

[Nikel]

Yes, only that is needed, it sounds very easy

Beren is another spanish member that has some experience with this conflict, perhaps he can comment something

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14238&page=4&highlight=map

[PhilThib]

Yes, the map he showed is perfect, can be easily converted to AGEOD's standards... may be with only the two of you that would be already good enough

[Nikel]

Was it me who said, this is a subject I know quite well and it should not be too difficult to do ?


No pictures or photographs of Alcibiades, Lysander and company for me to paint. A problem that by the way was solved in the boardgame with helmets




Regarding the map I would prefer Sicily and Crete not in boxes

[Hobbes]

I would be happy to help out with this, but I would like to get King William's War finished first.

Cheers, Chris