AGEOD Vietnam War?

[Nikel]

GREAT INFORMATION!!!

Thanks,
CptCav

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USA Army

http://web.archive.org/web/20061030003607/www.gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/US+Army/us_army_oob1.htm


USA Marines

http://web.archive.org/web/20061030003851/http://www.gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/USMC/usmc_oob1.htm


USA Navy in the new site

http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-war/order-of-battle/USNPub.pdf


Australia and New Zealand

http://web.archive.org/web/20061113234516/http://gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/ANZACs/anzac1.htm

New

http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-war/order-of-battle/AusNZPub.pdf


South Korea, Philippines and Thailand

http://web.archive.org/web/20061030003619/http://www.gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/Other+Freeworld/free_world_oob1.htm

New

http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-war/order-of-battle/Other%20FWMFPub.pdf


Republic of Vietnam

http://web.archive.org/web/20061113234408/http://gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/rvn_armed_forces/rvn1.htm

[Generalisimo]

The same guy that in eleven-bravo.co.uk, Richard Rinaldi , posted information regarding NVA and VC in the old site, that is offline:

http://www.gruntonline.com/Order%20of%20Battle/nva_vc_oob/nva_oob.htm


Right now it is only available through the WayBack Machine on Internet archive

http://web.archive.org/web/20061030003749pd_re_/www.gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/nva_vc_oob/nva_oob.htm

I knew about that website (offline) but didn't know about the WayBack Machine...
That's much better than nothing for the NVA & VC armies.
Thanks!

[Pocus]

Learnt a thing too!

[Adlertag]

I would think the main game would be USA 1965-1975, similar to the Victory Games board game.
With a smaller side campaign for the earlier French involvment.

Why not, and I would say that as a French Company, Ageod can't forget to add a campaign involving French armies in Indochina.

[PhilThib]

Sacre bleu

[tc237]

Why not, and I would say that as a French Company, Ageod can't forget to add a campaign involving French armies in Indochina.

I'm missing something or read your first post wrong.
You asked what time period the game should portray.

One first question could be also :

From which date do you want the game to begin ?

From Japanese Invasion of French Indochina (1940-1945) or

From the First Indochina War (1946-1954) with later US assistance or

From US growing intervention after 1964...to the end we know.

So there are 3 possible campaigns, linked but somewhat hard to join together because of the number and differences between actors of this drama.

So I wrote a reply with just my opinion of what it could possibly be (US 1965-1975 with a possible side campaign for the French).
You replied with "Why not?..."

What am I missing here? Maybe my post read like I want to exclude the French involvement and focus soley on the US era?

[Generalisimo]

What am I missing here? Maybe my post read like I want to exclude the French involvement and focus soley on the US era?

I think he is saying that you are actually right, that it should be included too, specially because we are talking about a french company.

[Adlertag]

What am I missing here? Maybe my post read like I want to exclude the French involvement and focus soley on the US era?

No, no, be reassured.
Finally, both campaigns (or even the prior one with Japan) are interesting so having them all will be great.
And thank you, Generalisimo.

[Big Ideas]

You probably know already that Decision Games have a Vietnam War computer game called: Winged Horse: The War in Vietnam 1965-1966. This is a module of counters, map, and rules that have to go with their main program called:Aide de Camp 2. Their advertisement doesn't provide too much info- but I can see hexes, beautiful old hexes, lots of hexes. There isn't a published date or a price.


I'm not a Vietnam War fan, but I saw this a couple of days ago.

BI

[Carnium]

A bit edited quote with my wishes

From the First Indochina War (1946-1954) with later US assistance + US growing intervention after 1964...to the end we (DON'T ) know.

[Goeland]

Exactly what I was thinking when I posted this request.

Regards,
CptCav

Same as me : I loved playing Victory Games 's Vietnam, and I realized while playing AACW that this paper game would be great on such a system.
Playing with zones rather than hexagons, hidden, ambushes, supply, loyalty (of SVN Army, of US population, of civilian pop. ...), morale, command chain, good/bad leaders, raiders, fog of war, weather, attrition, military control, politic, etc. These points are EXACTLY the ones which VN war turns around...
An adaption of Victory games game about the subject would please much players (there's no good simulation game about Vietnam war in USA)...

Franck

NB : excuse my bad english...

[cptcav]

NB : excuse my bad english...

Better than my French. Glad to see someone else interested in this.

Regards,
CptCav

[Goeland]

And must I add something about the possibilities of music played during the game ?...


F.

[tagwyn]

Pocus: Both USA and France got our butts kicked here in 'Nam! Do we really want to do this? t

[Goeland]

I do not make my wargaming choices depending on such ideas...


Franck


NB : such a game about Vietnam war would be interesting with the french Indochina war (1945-1954) before [we say Guerre d'Indochine/Indochina War, not Vietnam War, because it took place in actual Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia]

[cptcav]

Pocus: Both USA and France got our butts kicked here in 'Nam! Do we really want to do this? t

And, the South lost the War Between the States, so I guess us Southern boys would not be comfortable playing this!

Dude, if you don't want it, don't buy it.

CptCav

[Ranger B]

Pocus: Both USA and France got our butts kicked here in 'Nam! Do we really want to do this? t

What kind of comment is this? You're joking right?

In retrospect, you've interjected snide comments - aka trolling - twice on May 11th (a drive by trolling 'stay out of 'nam') and now again.

Do we really need comments like this? Is it adding anything to the discussion?

This kind of trolling is rediculous and unnecessary.

[tc237]

That's tag, he* likes to shake things up a bit, see what falls out of the tree.
No harm if you know how to handle it, a sarcastic comment sent the other way usually soothes the beast.
Most regulars here know that by now

*last I heard....

[PhilThib]

Indeed

[cptcav]

That's tag, he* likes to shake things up a bit, see what falls out of the tree.
No harm if you know how to handle it, a sarcastic comment sent the other way usually soothes the beast.
Most regulars here know that by now

*last I heard....

Oh, okay. I feel sorry for him. Its sad that some people have to get their jollies by trying to upset others.

Regards,
CptCav

[Goeland]

Indeed

Philippe, si par hasard le projet venait à être mis dans les tuyaux, je serais volontaire pour y travailler. Je ne connais rien en informatique mais je suppose que ce n'est pas rédhibitoire pour travailler sur ce type de projet et qu'il y a d'autres moyens d'y participer.

Amitiés

Franck

[PhilThib]

Assuidité et connaisance d'Excel sont un premier prérequis

[gchristie]

Oh, okay. I feel sorry for him. Its sad that some people have to get their jollies by trying to upset others.

Regards,
CptCav

Don't know the fellow myself and often don't get his drift...but no less an authority than Aphrodite Mae created a medal expressly for Tagwyn. See post #132 in her Aphrodite's Knights medals thread.

From which I quote her highness, "Congratulations, Larry! We might be exasperated with you sometimes, but I, for one, am honored to call you my friend! And to all, I say: Respect his medal. Respect the man. There's more to him, than you know."

What a diverse bunch of forumites are we!

A tout à l'heure

[Goeland]

Assuidité et connaisance d'Excel sont un premier prérequis

Je travaille régulièrement -et je dois confesser parfois empiriquement- sur Excell, bien que n'en maîtrisant pas tous les rouages.
Pour l'assiduité, je peux m'en vanter pour peu que je sache où je vais, de façon à ne pas avoir l'impression de travailler dans le vide ou pour rien...

Franck

NB : si le sujet est sensible ou/et si nous risquons d'agacer nos amis non-francophones (!!), vous pouvez me contacter en MP.

[Ranger B]

Don't know the fellow myself and often don't get his drift...

A tout à l'heure

Gotcha, no harm done. It does kind of 'blur the line' of noting when someone is trolling versus a lighter-hearted quip. I'll keep in mind to not take anything he says too seriously.

[Ranger B]

Derailment attempts aside, I came across a great series of maps of Indochina; all the same scale & size, covering topography, hypsometry, bathymetry, agriculture, transportation system, infrastructure, precipitation and vegetation. All dated 1973, so i suspect they are CIA/DIA, though they aren't labeled as such. These cover all of Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia, so I think these might be a good set for planning off of. I'll forward these to CptCav for his perusal/use.

Is there a rule of thumb for reference map size and scale, when it comes to map making for the AGEOD system?

[Beren]

First a game of ancient greeks please... there is no PC game about, and a [SIZE="6"]Peloponessian war[/size] game for 2 player would be awesome whith this engine..... pleaseeeeeeeeee

[Palpat]

VW is quiten original indeed, but there are other wargames that did it.

I frankly prefer if Ageod continues to make game on less treated subjects, like XIXth century wars, or why not Louis XIV ones? Spanish succession war could be sooo cool.
Or what about russo-japanese one? Or other XIXth century? Maybe in VGN I guess...

Or maybe indeed antiquity wars. Punic wars, for instance?

But please... no WW2! There are countless of WW2 games out there.

[Jarkko]

First a game of ancient greeks please... there is no PC game about, and a [SIZE="6"]Peloponessian war[/size] game for 2 player would be awesome whith this engine..... pleaseeeeeeeeee

"Rise of Sparta" would immediatly sell a few thousand copies when FPS gamers would buy it just for the name

[Palpat]

Indeed!

And by the way, what do you think about a "Louis XIV wars", Ageod guys? Could be quite cool: lot of conflicts, technical progress, can have Charles XII and War of the North scenarios too...