Forum languages

[Korrigan]

The BoA forum is splitted between Spanish, English and French.

How would you feel about us merging them?

I was thinking to merge at least AARs and armories.

Of course, people will be free to talk in their native languages, and AGEOD people will keep on answering in English and French.

Pros: Clearer forums, more activity, easier to maintain, no need to answer several times to the same question,etc.

Cons: Can be frustrating or intimidating for people not speaking French, Spanish or English.

Note: Right now, PBEM, Library, News, General discussions and AACW forums are already "multi-languages". You can find discussions in both French and English. Do you find this annoying?

Best,

Korrigan

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Actuellement, le forum BoA est divisé en trois forums linguistiques: Anglais, Espagnol et Français.

J'envisage de les fusionner mais j'aimerai avoir votre avis sur la question. Au minium, je pensais fusionner les AAR et les Armuries.

Naturellement, les joueurs seront libres de continuer à s'exprimer dans le langage de leur choix, et nous continuerons à vous répondre en Français et en Anglais le cas échéant.

Avantage: Des forums plus clairs, plus actifs, plus facile à maintenir sans avoir à répondre plusieurs fois à la même question.

Désavantages: La tendance sera naturellement de parler anglais, ce qui peut-être frustrant ou intimidant pour les joueurs ne maîtrisant pas complétement les langues étrangères. L'expérience montre que nos amis anglo-saxons ne sont pas moins frustrés losqu'ils lisent un échange en Français.

Note:
Afin d'imaginer ce que ça pourrait donner, actuellement la "Library", les PBEMS, le Forum AACW, le forum de discussion générale et bien-sûr les News sont d'ores et déjà "multi-langages". Cela vous pose t'il un probléme?

Cordialement,

Korrigan

[Primasprit]

In my opinion all general forums should be English only.
For other languages the special forums can be used.

Note: Right now, PBEM, Library, News, General discussions and AACW forums are already "multi-languages". You can find discussions in both French and English. Do you find this annoying?

Yes. It excludes the majority of people from the discussion (if French or Spanish is used) and is, in my opinion, very counterproductive for a community.

[Lafrite]

Désavantages: La tendance sera naturellement de parler anglais, ce qui peut-être frustrant ou intimidant pour les joueurs ne maîtrisant pas complétement les langues étrangères. L'expérience montre que nos amis anglo-saxons ne sont pas moins frustrés losqu'ils lisent un échange en Français.

Les seuls problèmes que j'ai jamais rencontré c'est lorsque l'admin bannit grossièrement tout message qui ne soit pas en anglais alors que sa boite vend le jeu localisé en d'autres langues :

Pour le reste l'emploi de traducteurs automatiques donnent une touche de surréalisme parfois très poétique sur certains sujets

[PDF]

Bof, pas emballé, les anglophones ne supportent pas que l'on ne parle pas anglais (et ne comprennent que l'anglais), et les non-anglophones ne supportent pas leur arrogance

Donc chacun chez soi and the spanish cows seront bien gardées !

[Lafrite]

De toute manière, changer maintenant, avec ACW au pas de la porte qui est tout de même (je peux me tromper ) très porté sur le public nord-américain ne me semble guère pertinent.

[Pocus]

Je pense être du même coté que PDF (si je l'ai bien compris, ce qui est rare ). Même si cela sépare les discussions, je préferre qu'il y ai des forums par langues. Il reste encore beaucoup de Francais qui ne parlent pas anglais, et je trouve paradoxal d'être une boite francaise sans proposer des discussions en Francais. La situation est peut être même pire pour les Espagnols, vous verrez que beaucoup disent qu'ils ne peuvent même pas lire le forum anglais car ils ne le comprennent pas.

[PDF]

[quote="Pocus"]Je pense être du même coté que PDF (si je l'ai bien compris, ce qui est rare ]

Dans mes bras mon frère ! Le Globish n'est pas si répandu, et que chacun puisse suivre une discussion dans une langue qu'il pratique me paraît être un minimum.

[Anguille]

Bon, quand on est sur un forum américain et que l'on ose parler en français ou en espagnol, on nous blâme et on nous dit: c'est une boîte américaine, donc on parle anglais (même si le jeu existe partout)

Comme Ageod est une boîte française, voire européenne , je trouve, comme bon exemple, que l'on devrait pouvoir parler la langue que l'on veut (et pourquoi pas en allemand ).

Alors moi je dit: vive la tour de Babel!

PS: comme je parle l'anglais, l'espagnol, le français et l'allemand, je suis volontiers prêt à faire des traductions

[Primasprit]

I am not interested at all to speak German in the forums since I can write and read English which understand far more people (especially in the internet) than German or French.
My point is what you demonstrate in this thread: There might be a topic interesting for a lot of people but someone simply answer in French, although capable to speak English, and thus exclude the others from the discussion. Sometime of laziness, sometimes intentional, in all cases quite impolite. I don't think that this is very helpful to build a strong international player community.
Of course everybody is free to speak every language he or she wants, but in my opinion this can happen in the special forums.

[marecone]

I am not interested at all to speak German in the forums since I can write and read English which understand far more people (especially in the internet) than German or French.
My point is what you demonstrate in this thread: There might be a topic interesting for a lot of people but someone simply answer in French, although capable to speak English, and thus exclude the others from the discussion. Sometime of laziness, sometimes intentional, in all cases quite impolite. I don't think that this is very helpful to build a strong international player community.
Of course everybody is free to speak every language he or she wants, but in my opinion this can happen in the special forums.

I second this.

Partially because there is no Croats in this forum

[PDF]

That's what I said : English-speaking natives don't want anything else than English, non-english speakers need something else, so eventually there's no point in mixing them since they just won't understand each other (and babelfished translations are just crap).
So let's keep the forums organized by languages. We need at least a French speaking AACW forum soon !

[Massassa]

Je suis plutôt pour ne pas fusionner les forums, pour les raisons évoquées par Pocus et PDF.

[jmlo]

Je suis plutôt pour ne pas fusionner les forums, pour les raisons évoquées par Pocus et PDF.

Pareil , la fusion donnera à terme un forum uniquement en anglais ce qui serait dommage pour un site web d'une société française.

[arsan]

I don't think merging forums is a good idea.

i support 100% what Primasprit said.
This thread is a perfect example of the problem: i can't understand more than half of the post and feel left out of the discussions...

I think the current sistem isn´t good also.

Like most of international forums (paradox one, for example) english should be the official lenguage in all the general forums and use special sections in french, spanish, german... for people can´t or wouldn not speak english.

English is the most spread lenguage on the net and should be used as the main one.
Specially when you are going to sell thousands of copies of AACW on the USA!!

This comes from a spanish speaker who only can write english badly.
Cheers
Arsan

[Korrigan]

Thank you for these points of view, but may I point out to my dear french speaking fellows that :

- The French BoA forum is inactive, last message in the French forum was 2 weeks ago. When was your last message in the French forum?

- Is Spliting our community the best to have active forums? And why only in three? The german gamers are really active and russians gamers gave a warm welcome to BoA. Should not we open a forum for them too? let's face it, we do not have a large enough community to sustain multiple forums.

- I perfectly remember how the forum went havoc when BoA was released. What will be the level of activity when AACW will be released? Who thinks Pocus, could have written a French version of the Features of the day...

To sum it up, there is the good and the best:

- The best: We have a huge and lively French speaking community, and each forum is managed a dedicated member of the numerous AGEod team.

- The good: You can ask a question in French and be anwsered in French in the AGEod forums...

[Anguille]

I agree...

For instance, while i am french speaking, i do not visit the subforums in french and spanish but if the forums were joined i would read every posts (english, french, spanish or german).

Cheers

[PDF]

Both BoA forums aren't much active, Korrigan, the english one only has a couple daily posts also, your remark isn't pertinent.
I don't care about spanish-russian-chinese-whatever other forums, I just request to have French treated as well as English, because the team and AGEOD *are* French. We'll do what we can posting there.

Note that I post in english since I exclusively post in the beta AACW forum, that has been declared as english to help the english-speaking betas (note that noone requested that to the contrary they would have to post in French ) ...

[Korrigan]

Both BoA forums aren't much active, Korrigan, the english one only has a couple daily posts also, your remark isn't pertinent.

I love the French language, and many people in the world love it. But I want to meet gamers from all over the world and I don't think the best way to defend the French language is to keep it in an empty place...

On the other hand, I'm sure the "French touch" is more defended by designing games such as BoA rather than with some debates like this one (well... debating between friends is very French too...).

Yes, BoA forums aren't very much active now (although last post in the English forum is only one day old). In fact, I begin this thread by stating it. That's why I proposed to merge some rooms. Let's gather our strenghts...

Note: In the last 10 monthes, you've written two posts in the French forum. So I'm sure you'll agree with me that we have to be pragmatic here and see what could be the best for the players even if it's not what could the best to us...

[Primasprit]

Yes, BoA forums aren't very much active now. In fact, I begin this thread by stating it. That's why I proposed to merge some rooms. Let's gather our strenghts...

I don't think that the current state of the BoA forums should be taken as a measure for further actions regarding the merging of forums.
BoA is the first game of AGEOD, the company still quite unknown, the player community rather small. I am sure AACW will change this and the player community will grow.
In my opinion there should be a French and Spanish forum created for AACW as soon as possible. (I don't think German would be necessary if one takes the Paradox forums as a reference).

If AGEOD decides to merge the forums I would ask for the rule that threads are continued only in the language of the first post.

[Korrigan]

I would ask for the rule that threads are continued only in the language of the first post.

This could be a way indeed.

Thank you all for your contributions, I think I have now some ideas for more forum simplicity while respecting each other favorite language. I shall implement them soon.

Korrigan

[Adlertag]

Thank you for these points of view, but may I point out to my dear french speaking fellows that :

- The French BoA forum is inactive, last message in the French forum was 2 weeks ago. When was your last message in the French forum?

Don't you think rather it's because you "kill" it ( french forum) by encouraging english speaking even for those guys who have plenty good things to say ( not especially speaking for me ) but are not so fluent in english to dare speak in that language ?

So don't merge forums , a french one should exist for french customers and an english one for the link between communities.

[Korrigan]

it's because you "kill" it ( french forum) by encouraging english speaking

Yeah right, my bad obviously...
Oui bien sûr, tout ça c'est de ma faute...




Note: To your credit, your last post in the French forum (12/06) was about French grammar in BoA...


I will set the new forum format next week, hopefully everybody should be happy with it.


Thread closed. Thanks.