veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Few tidbits that coudl still be improved

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:32 pm

There are still some loose ends that could be tied together, I just figured I'd point some that I have seen up to now in my latest game started under the April 11th patch (btw thanks for the big data improvement for troop names, it's awesome !) :
- As the french The Neuchatel regiments can now be recruited in Besançon, but the swiss ones just can't be recruited...
- When the HRE is dissolved and the RHC created early 1806, the RHC is neutral which means that french can't pass throught it, etc... Makes no sense.
- The expeditionary force system still needs work or to be circumvented for quasi-vassals : leave it as a tool for multiplayer for example, but otherwise just give F4 decisions to get the equivalent from vassals : every so and so the french player would get cards giving him access for some EPs or money or VPs or what to some troops from its vassals/minions (KOI, Holland, Switzerland, RHC, Westphalia, Poland, etc...). The current system really is just cumbersome and doesn't work.
- The supply situation is still very tricky re flow and production within allies / neutrals / recently defeated ennemies.
- The AI still has weird warmongering issues : in the 2 games I started since the latest patch each time the Austrians have DOWed me fairly quickly after Pressburg. Why ? Did I stay there too long (in which case this needs fixing) ? Was there something making the peace conditions obsolete very quickly ?

User avatar
Kev_uk
Colonel
Posts: 348
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:43 pm
Location: South Wales, UK.

Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:46 pm

The thing about passing through neutrals could be circumnavigated (and maybe the strange supply system) via the Diplomacy screen and requesting troop access rights, the more I think about it. Perhaps, as with you and Austria and myself and Prussia we need to ask for access rights via diplomacy. But still, it is not clear whatever.

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:15 pm

Kev_uk wrote:The thing about passing through neutrals could be circumnavigated (and maybe the strange supply system) via the Diplomacy screen and requesting troop access rights, the more I think about it. Perhaps, as with you and Austria and myself and Prussia we need to ask for access rights via diplomacy. But still, it is not clear whatever.


Thing is they will say no. Those should come with the natural victory conditions in a peace treaty : give 48 turns passage and supply rights, but the engine should change so that supply rights mean supply passage not just use of local supply.

User avatar
Kev_uk
Colonel
Posts: 348
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:43 pm
Location: South Wales, UK.

Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:26 pm

Yea, it appears to be broken.

Offworlder
Brigadier General
Posts: 434
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:56 pm
Location: Malta

Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:45 pm

veji1 wrote:There are still some loose ends that could be tied together, I just figured I'd point some that I have seen up to now in my latest game started under the April 11th patch (btw thanks for the big data improvement for troop names, it's awesome !) :
- As the french The Neuchatel regiments can now be recruited in Besançon, but the swiss ones just can't be recruited...
- When the HRE is dissolved and the RHC created early 1806, the RHC is neutral which means that french can't pass throught it, etc... Makes no sense.
- The expeditionary force system still needs work or to be circumvented for quasi-vassals : leave it as a tool for multiplayer for example, but otherwise just give F4 decisions to get the equivalent from vassals : every so and so the french player would get cards giving him access for some EPs or money or VPs or what to some troops from its vassals/minions (KOI, Holland, Switzerland, RHC, Westphalia, Poland, etc...). The current system really is just cumbersome and doesn't work.
- The supply situation is still very tricky re flow and production within allies / neutrals / recently defeated ennemies.
- The AI still has weird warmongering issues : in the 2 games I started since the latest patch each time the Austrians have DOWed me fairly quickly after Pressburg. Why ? Did I stay there too long (in which case this needs fixing) ? Was there something making the peace conditions obsolete very quickly ?


+1

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:54 pm

Oh and of course wandering Arties are still an issue....

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:02 pm

veji1 wrote:Oh and of course wandering Arties are still an issue....


Anyone know the reason for them?

User avatar
GraniteStater
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1778
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:16 am
Location: Annapolis, MD - What?

Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:16 pm

They're lonely.

It's so sad...
[color="#AFEEEE"]"Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"[/color]
-Daniel Webster

[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]
-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898

RULES
(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.
(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.


Image

vicberg
AGEod Grognard
Posts: 968
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:18 am

Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:22 pm

GraniteStater wrote:They're lonely.

It's so sad...


The great migration of the Arty (Artiillirus Longevitis). Once a year, they go back, against enormous odds, to their spawning grounds where they spawn and die. Discovery Channel has a special on it.

Offworlder
Brigadier General
Posts: 434
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:56 pm
Location: Malta

Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:34 pm

BTW. Maybe an improved AI Spanish reaction to the French invasion would be nice. Right now, their whole army seems to go on a suicide run through Burgos, Madrid and Zaragoza. There seem to be no formation of an army whatsoever - though admittedly this behaviour is very similar to all other AI nations up to a point. Is it possible to have it concentrate its forces a bit before pressing the attack?

User avatar
GraniteStater
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1778
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:16 am
Location: Annapolis, MD - What?

Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:05 am

No.
[color="#AFEEEE"]"Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"[/color]

-Daniel Webster



[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]

-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898



RULES

(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.

(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.





Image

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:02 am

vicberg wrote:The great migration of the Arty (Artiillirus Longevitis). Once a year, they go back, against enormous odds, to their spawning grounds where they spawn and die. Discovery Channel has a special on it.


:mdr:

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:24 pm

The AI buys artillery when it does not have resources for anything else.

12:34:23 (Reporting) Entering BuildNewUnits (_BNU_)
12:34:23 (Reporting) Steel Level 6 Amount 355
12:34:23 (Reporting) Money Level 6 Amount 1971
12:34:23 (Reporting) Conscripts Level 5 Amount 418
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 348 Guard Grenadier Brigade 1805 Coeff: 45
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 349 Guard Brigade 1805 Coeff: 45
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 350 Grenadier Brigade 1805 Coeff: 126
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 351 Infantry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 45
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 352 Mixed Infantry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 81
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 353 Jaeger Brigade 1805 Coeff: 135
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 354 Second Line Infantry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 18
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 355 Infantry Reserve Brigade 1805 Coeff: 90
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 356 Guard Horse Artillery Brigade 1805 Coeff: 18
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 357 Horse Artillery Brigade 1805 Coeff: 135
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 358 Foot Artillery Brigade 1805 Coeff: 144
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 359 Guard Foot Artillery Brigade 1805 Coeff: 27
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 360 Artillery Brigade 1805 Coeff: 9
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 361 Siege Artillery Brigade 1805 Coeff: 54
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 363 Cuirassiers Brigade 1805 Coeff: 90
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 364 Mixed Cavalry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 90
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 365 Dragoon Brigade 1805 Coeff: 99
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 366 Mixed Light Cavalry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 90
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 368 Hussars Brigade 1805 (Csc) Coeff: 108
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 369 National Cavalry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 90
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 371 Uhlans Brigade 1805 Coeff: 81
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 374 Line Garrison 1805 Coeff: 18
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 375 Depot Garrison 1805 Coeff: 180
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 376 Invalid Garrison 1805 Coeff: 162
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 378 Fortress Battery 1805 Coeff: 72
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 379 Coastal Battery 1805 Coeff: 108
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 380 Supply Brigade 1805 Coeff: 153
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 383 Landwehr Infantry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 18
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 384 Silesian Landwehr Infantry Brigade 1805 Coeff: 9
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 391 Pontoon Bridges Coeff: 18
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 392 Balloon Observation Bn Coeff: 9
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 393 First Rank Squadron 1805 Coeff: 2
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 394 Second Rank Squadron 1805 Coeff: 1
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 395 Third Rank Squadron 1805 Coeff: 1
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 396 Heavy Frigate Squadron 1805 Coeff: 0
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 397 Frigate Squadron 1805 Coeff: 2
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 398 Brig Squadron 1805 Coeff: 0
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 399 Sloop Squadron 1805 Coeff: 1
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 400 Privateer Squadron 1805 Coeff: 0
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 401 Troop Transport Squadron 1805 Coeff: 0
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 402 Merchantman Squadron 1805 Coeff: 1
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 403 River Gunboat Squadron 1805 Coeff: 2
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 404 Riverine Transport Squadron 1805 Coeff: 1
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 1250 Supply Depot 1805 Coeff: 72
12:34:23 (Reporting) Adding 388 Signals Rgt Coeff: 36
12:34:23 (Reporting) Number of Draw 10
[color="#FF0000"]12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 352 Mixed Infantry Brigade 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 5 Requested 0 In Pool 9
12:34:23 (Reporting) _BNU Buying Unit Mixed Infantry Brigade 1805 Family ID Militia Area Recruitment Area: Prussia
[/color]12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 365 Dragoon Brigade 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 6 Requested 0 In Pool 11
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 480 WSU 355 0 Money 1971 324
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 380 Supply Brigade 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 6 Requested 0 In Pool 17
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 600 WSU 355 0 Money 1971 360
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 361 Siege Artillery Brigade 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 0 Requested 0 In Pool 6
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 456 WSU 355 60 Money 1971 660
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 353 Jaeger Brigade 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 1 Requested 0 In Pool 15
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 720 WSU 355 0 Money 1971 360
[color="#FF0000"]12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 358 Foot Artillery Brigade 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 5 Requested 0 In Pool 16
12:34:23 (Reporting) _BNU Buying Unit Foot Artillery Brigade 1805 Family ID Light Artillery Area Recruitment Area: Prussia
[/color]
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 376 Invalid Garrison 1805
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 7 Requested 0 In Pool 18
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 746 WSU 355 36 Money 1971 528
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 368 Hussars Brigade 1805 (Csc)
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 4 Requested 0 In Pool 12
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 506 WSU 355 36 Money 1971 528
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 388 Signals Rgt
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 2 Requested 0 In Pool 4
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 426 WSU 355 36 Money 1971 464
12:34:23 (Reporting) Picking 368 Hussars Brigade 1805 (Csc)
12:34:23 (Reporting) On Map 4 Requested 0 In Pool 12
12:34:23 (Reporting) Too costly compared to National assets, skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Assets/Costs: Conscripts 418 506 WSU 355 36 Money 1971 528
12:34:23 (Reporting) Ended BuildNewUnits Bought: 2 73 ms

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:27 pm

So the AI does not know how to save resources for building units?

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:47 pm

And then the AI is sending them around the map as it checks for needs of different regions and forces operating based on the power values ?

The list of idle non-fixed groups has even coastal artillery on it as an option to move..

12:34:23 (Reporting) *** Starting process on extended theater 342 Theater_Germany Owned armies (extended): 44 Enemy armies: 33 Land Ratio: 0.65 Land Core Ratio: 0.60 ***
12:34:23 (Reporting) List of idle, non-fixed groups in extended theater:
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021061 W-Ungarn Insurrectio Korps (Pow.258)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024476 Riesch Nachschub (Pow.0)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021015 9. Kavallerie-Brigade (Pow.28)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022966 Laibach Hus. (Pow.42)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024070 II/Küsten.AR. (Pow.121)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1019789 Hessen-Homburg' Force (Pow.34)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021030 FußA.Brig.Kdo. 1 (Pow.26)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022630 Jellachich' Force (Pow.15)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021475 Erz. Johann' Force (Pow.43)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024465 1. Depot (Pow.0)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024071 Res.Fs.AB. 1 (Pow.84)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022965 Klenau' Force (Pow.29)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024468 Liechtenstein (Pow.3)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024467 Laudon' Force (Pow.478)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024474 Schwarzenberg' Force (Pow.260)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024469 Alvinczy' Force (Pow.13)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1023313 Train-Abteilung 1 (Pow.0)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1023302 Riesch' Force (Pow.736)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021666 10. Kavallerie-Brigade (Pow.24)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022632 Auersperg' Force (Pow.63)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1004211 Bayerische Armee (Pow.102)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024072 Fs.AB. 1 (Pow.84)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1020436 Ludwigs. Gar. (Pow.8)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1019450 6. Kavallerie-Brigade (Pow.28)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1023303 Wien Jaeger (Pow.31)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1017128 3. Kavallerie-Brigade (Pow.31)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1015755 Tirolerisch Korps (Pow.144)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1023157 Reit.AR. 3 (Pow.22)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022629 I/Küsten.AR. (Pow.121)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022635 Depot Battalion I (Pow.27)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021019 Landwehr-Inspektion 1 (Pow.31)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1024473 Fuß.AR. 10 (Pow.35)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1019864 Gottesheim' Force (Pow.272)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1004457 Bohemisch Reserve (Pow.471)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021345 Franz (Pow.0)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1019234 Dedovich' Force (Pow.254)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1020132 d'Aspre' Force (Pow.136)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1021355 IV. Austrian Detachment (Pow.66)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1022963 Plauen' Force (Pow.66)
12:34:23 (Reporting)
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1118 Prag Pick 62 has enough garrison (Value: 56) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1020132 d'Aspre' Force, 1061 Warten, Pow:136, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 91 PickVal 31 SelfVal 661 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 45500, Region: 1025 Breslau
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 973 Berlin Pick 40 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1021030 FußA.Brig.Kdo. 1, 1155 Salzburg, Pow:26, Count: 1(l 0/L 0/S 1) Fitness 96 PickVal 58 SelfVal 1138 AINeed 27
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 48000, Region: 1158 Linz
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1098 Pilsen Pick 9 has enough garrison (Value: 54) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 932 Regensburg Pick 16 has enough garrison (Value: 206) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 869 Magdeburg Pick 21 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1015755 Tirolerisch Korps, 932 Regensburg, Pow:144, Count: 1(l 1/L 1/S 0) Fitness 91 PickVal 8 SelfVal 241 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 21931, Region: 1019 Glogau
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 2445 Kovno Pick 16 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1022963 Plauen' Force, 1433 Tilsit, Pow:66, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 65 PickVal 5 SelfVal 179 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 11635, Region: 1456 Memel
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1419 Danzig Pick 20 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1019234 Dedovich' Force, 999 Leipzig, Pow:254, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 50 PickVal 20 SelfVal 476 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 23800, Region: 947 Hamburg
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1022632 Auersperg' Force, 1159 Melk, Pow:63, Count: 5(l 1/L 1/S 3) Fitness 96 PickVal 100 SelfVal 1759 AINeed 60
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 48000, Region: 1194 Wien
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1137 Olmuetz Pick 23 has enough garrison (Value: 27) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1431 Koenigsberg Pick 15 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 999 Leipzig Pick 7 has enough garrison (Value: 254) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1113 Koniggraetz Pick 13 has enough garrison (Value: 113) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 934 Muenchen Pick 100 has enough garrison (Value: 489) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1022629 I/Küsten.AR., 914 Nuernberg, Pow:121, Count: 1(l 0/L 0/S 1) Fitness 96 PickVal 6 SelfVal 225 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 21600, Region: 914 Nuernberg
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1004457 Bohemisch Reserve, 1006 Dresden, Pow:471, Count: 3(l 2/L 2/S 1) Fitness 75 PickVal 6 SelfVal 183 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Attack, Value: 13725, Region: 838 Kassel
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1020132 d'Aspre' Force, 1061 Warten, Pow:136, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 91 PickVal 17 SelfVal 420 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 38220, Region: 1072 Posen
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 949 Luebeck Pick 5 SelfVal 165 Need 157 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1019864 Gottesheim' Force, 1006 Dresden, Pow:272, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 50 PickVal 5 SelfVal 180 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 9000, Region: 982 Frankfurt Oder
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1143 Brunn Pick 8 has enough garrison (Value: 27) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1024072 Fs.AB. 1, 932 Regensburg, Pow:84, Count: 1(l 0/L 0/S 1) Fitness 93 PickVal 5 SelfVal 177 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 16461, Region: 988 Cottbus
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1197 Presburg Pick 12 has enough garrison (Value: 24) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1152 Innsbruck Pick 14 has enough garrison (Value: 55) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1023302 Riesch' Force, 931 Starnberg, Pow:736, Count: 9(l 4/L 5/S 2) Fitness 75 PickVal 2 SelfVal 58 AINeed 624
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Attack, Value: 4350, Region: 888 Frankfurt
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1004211 Bayerische Armee, 1128 Stain, Pow:102, Count: 5(l 1/L 1/S 3) Fitness 99 PickVal 12 SelfVal 79 AINeed 101
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 7821, Region: 1351 Kattowice
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 994 Torgau Pick 5 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1097 Eger Pick 10 has enough garrison (Value: 25) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1006 Dresden Pick 24 has enough garrison (Value: 471) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1019864 Gottesheim' Force, 1006 Dresden, Pow:272, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 50 PickVal 9 SelfVal 64 AINeed 101
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 3200, Region: 1085 Lodz
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1020132 d'Aspre' Force, 1061 Warten, Pow:136, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 84 PickVal 12 SelfVal 322 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 27048, Region: 1037 Kuestrin
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1020132 d'Aspre' Force, 1061 Warten, Pow:136, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 79 PickVal 13 SelfVal 332 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 26228, Region: 968 Stettin
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1155 Salzburg Pick 22 has enough garrison (Value: 63) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1024467 Laudon' Force, 934 Muenchen, Pow:478, Count: 4(l 3/L 3/S 0) Fitness 96 PickVal 18 SelfVal 18 AINeed 506
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Attack, Value: 1728, Region: 576 Strasbourg
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1129 Tabor Pick 5 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1024467 Laudon' Force, 934 Muenchen, Pow:478, Count: 4(l 3/L 3/S 0) Fitness 70 PickVal 4 SelfVal 150 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Attack, Value: 10500, Region: 895 Freiburg Brisgau
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1024072 Fs.AB. 1, 932 Regensburg, Pow:84, Count: 1(l 0/L 0/S 1) Fitness 93 PickVal 2 SelfVal 114 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 10602, Region: 1030 Kossel
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 767 Liege Pick 9 SelfVal 9 Need 506 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1024072 Fs.AB. 1, 932 Regensburg, Pow:84, Count: 1(l 0/L 0/S 1) Fitness 93 PickVal 3 SelfVal 120 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 11160, Region: 913 Bayreuth
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1020132 d'Aspre' Force, 1061 Warten, Pow:136, Count: 2(l 1/L 1/S 1) Fitness 70 PickVal 5 SelfVal 166 AINeed 157
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 11620, Region: 1040 Kolberg
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 835 Dortmund Pick 4 SelfVal 149 Need 157 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 1411 Thorn Pick 2 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1024072 Fs.AB. 1, 932 Regensburg, Pow:84, Count: 1(l 0/L 0/S 1) Fitness 88 PickVal 2 SelfVal 109 AINeed 77
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 9592, Region: 1014 Gorlitz
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 827 Minden Pick 5 SelfVal 179 Need 157 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 938 Passau Pick 2 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 785 Nijmegen Pick 4 SelfVal 4 Need 506 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1023302 Riesch' Force, 931 Starnberg, Pow:736, Count: 9(l 4/L 5/S 2) Fitness 70 PickVal 3 SelfVal 4 AINeed 506
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Attack, Value: 280, Region: 578 Mulhouse
12:34:23 (Reporting)
12:34:23 (Reporting) *** Starting process on extended theater 338 Theater_Italia Owned armies (extended): 4 Enemy armies: 18 Land Ratio: 0.33 Land Core Ratio: 0.45 ***
12:34:23 (Reporting) List of idle, non-fixed groups in extended theater:
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1004598 Stadtgarnison Venedig (Pow.58)
12:34:23 (Reporting) 1004471 Italienische Armee (Pow.979)
12:34:23 (Reporting)
12:34:23 (Reporting) CheckRegionForOperation 1004471 Italienische Armee, 627 Venezia, Pow:979, Count: 10(l 7/L 6/S 3) Fitness 65 PickVal 100 SelfVal 2386 AINeed 2025
12:34:23 (Reporting) Agenda: Defend, Value: 32500, Region: 627 Venezia
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 663 Roma Pick 4 SelfVal 365 Need 154 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 718 Valetta Pick 4 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 678 Napoli Pick 6 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 643 Ancona Pick 2 SelfVal 258 Need 310 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) Region 648 Firenze Pick 7 SelfVal 544 Need 310 no group candidate found
12:34:23 (Reporting) Secondary Region 708 Palermo Pick 3 has enough garrison (Value: 0) - evaluation skipped

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:50 pm

Remove the depots and coastal artillery from the list totally? They should be built on location?

Make the code check for ratio of infantry, cavalry, artillery and supply trains for forces? Or does it?

vicberg
AGEod Grognard
Posts: 968
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:18 am

Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:15 pm

I've tried the ratio setting in my mod. I placed arty in the 10% range. Infantry in the 50% and horses the remainder. Yet, I'm still seeing lots and lots of arty. I believe that the AI will still buy arty because it's the cheapest and all it can afford. The production in base game is once every 4 turns, so the AI doesn't have that much, especially conscripts which is the biggest hitter for building infantry.

Or, the AI feels a sense of responsibility for the loss during the great migration and wants to help perpetuate the species.

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:27 pm

vicberg wrote:I've tried the ratio setting in my mod. I placed arty in the 10% range. Infantry in the 50% and horses the remainder. Yet, I'm still seeing lots and lots of arty. I believe that the AI will still buy arty because it's the cheapest and all it can afford. The production in base game is once every 4 turns, so the AI doesn't have that much, especially conscripts which is the biggest hitter for building infantry.

Or, the AI feels a sense of responsibility for the loss during the great migration and wants to help perpetuate the species.


What does the coefficient value do?

vicberg
AGEod Grognard
Posts: 968
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:18 am

Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:59 pm

It places a priority on AI building. Tells the AI to build out X percentages of units from force pool. So actually my numbers above or wrong.

AI.SetPoolRatio = $famElite|100;$FamilyLine|100;$famLightInf|100;famMilitia|25;$famCavalry|100;$famHvyCavalry|100;$famLightArty|10;$famMedArty|10;$famHvyArty|10;

Builld out all infantry, cavalry and not much artillery.

RebelYell
General of the Army
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:44 pm

vicberg wrote:It places a priority on AI building. Tells the AI to build out X percentages of units from force pool. So actually my numbers above or wrong.

AI.SetPoolRatio = $famElite|100;$FamilyLine|100;$famLightInf|100;famMilitia|25;$famCavalry|100;$famHvyCavalry|100;$famLightArty|10;$famMedArty|10;$famHvyArty|10;

Builld out all infantry, cavalry and not much artillery.


The value seems to change, different values in the same log for different factions, so how does that work?

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:08 am

another very annoying thing : sudden white peace..

Am in end of january 1807, at war with Prussia (they attacked Bavaria, so I had to....) and Austria (they attacked me again so bugger it, going for them) and so with Saxony as well. Mind you it's now deep winter so I am staying tight in cities and stuff having basically occupied all the west side of the Elbe river and just spending the winter at Mageburg, Hamburg and western Saxony. Now I am not dumb and because of the stupidity of the "Saxony switches side" event turning it entirely neutral and in previous version actually expelling my troops, I am clever enough to leave Leipzig and Dresden free so as not to fire the event and keep all my nice depots builts in Saxony to help campaign in Prussia in the spring.. What happens ? a White peace event shoots with Saxony because we haven't had a battle in a long while... Whereas I am occupying half their land... The frustration levels are high...

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:10 am

Really I wonder what the Devs are doing about this game now. I bought it when it came out, almost 5 months ago, and there are still egregious issues of LOGIC in how it works. It's really uber frustrating, I want to love this game so much but god what a mess.

User avatar
Kev_uk
Colonel
Posts: 348
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:43 pm
Location: South Wales, UK.

Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:25 am

The last playthrough of the base game, Saxony declared independence and became neutral when I took Leipzig and Dresden. I think it messed up my supply problems after Tislit when I became 'trapped' rebuilding my forces in Poland. I am back to vicburgs mod now however - but I still have the save when I am about to become starved in Warsaw...AGAIN. Great game and much could be done with it - it needs more in-depth AI fixes, and I think it is possible. I hope it is not 'abandoned'. If it goes onto Steam in its current state - well I will cringe at the comments.

Offworlder
Brigadier General
Posts: 434
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:56 pm
Location: Malta

Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:19 am

Actually I think that the Saxon event should be changed a bit. Saxony essentially switched sides and became a French satellite. However, in the game, it remains allied with Prussia, declaring war in tandem with Prussia, whenever the latter decides to.

Also there is a need that powers like Prussia and Austria stop declaring war other states of any size when their forces have just been shattered in war. A period of reconstruction should follow each round of war. Its ridiculous how small the Austrian and Prussian armies remain after each drubbing, and yet they declare war on France and each other like there was no tomorrow....

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:33 pm

Offworlder wrote:Actually I think that the Saxon event should be changed a bit. Saxony essentially switched sides and became a French satellite. However, in the game, it remains allied with Prussia, declaring war in tandem with Prussia, whenever the latter decides to.

Also there is a need that powers like Prussia and Austria stop declaring war other states of any size when their forces have just been shattered in war. A period of reconstruction should follow each round of war. Its ridiculous how small the Austrian and Prussian armies remain after each drubbing, and yet they declare war on France and each other like there was no tomorrow....


honestly the game just can't handle the whole multi nations / alliances / diplomacy dynamic. I mean it's doing thousands time worse than what EUII could do 15 years ago.... The fact that one has to "supply depot spam" to keep his armies supplied, NEVER sign peace nor create some satellites like Westphalia in case this suddenly starves his army to death is just bonkers. I so want to enjoy like I did AACW and even CW2 but really it's hard..

Offworlder
Brigadier General
Posts: 434
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:56 pm
Location: Malta

Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:22 pm

veji1 wrote:honestly the game just can't handle the whole multi nations / alliances / diplomacy dynamic. I mean it's doing thousands time worse than what EUII could do 15 years ago.... The fact that one has to "supply depot spam" to keep his armies supplied, NEVER sign peace nor create some satellites like Westphalia in case this suddenly starves his army to death is just bonkers. I so want to enjoy like I did AACW and even CW2 but really it's hard..


Its very difficult for the AI to have multiple nations doing their thing all at once. Like PON, the AI has a lot on its plate to do everything right and it is slowing it down considerably (sometimes even 15 minute long AI turns). So maybe if the Confederation of the Rhine and Westphalia are there, these should essentially eclipse the smaller states or kind of 'freeze' them in place, putting their resources at the disposal of the French. (Indeed there is a nod to such an approach when the Rhine Confederation Regiments card comes into play, there are three regiments from Nassau, Saxony and Rhineland.) Once they are reconquered by the Allies, then they become free again. Historically, even the Bavarians and the Saxons who were the most powerful and independent of the minor states, essentially towed the French line without so much of a murmur until the battle of Leipzig. I'm also surprised by the fact that the annexation of Holland for example, only gives you the resources they have on the map and no chance to recruit Dutch units.

BTW I solved the supply issue, especially for the Prussian campaign by simply going 'slow' and crushing the enemy forces on the frontiers. Basically, after the battle for the frontiers its a mop up operation by two strong corps (five division strong each) under the best generals possibly those with the 'forager' attribute. Such corps are more than capable of crushing any resistance on their own even if operating alone and they can be maintained for a long time even in East Prussia and Poland.

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:23 pm

Hurray !! for the first time ever, after probably 600 to 700 turns of play, a country outside of Bavaria lent me some forces !!! Both Baden and Wurtemberg sent me expeditionnary forces in march 1807 that I can intregrate in my forces. The Baden force is just 2 regiments (6 elements) but the Wurttemberg one is about 1 div of cavalry and one smallish infantry div with 2 leaders !

Great. Sure Holland and the KOI keep on refusing and I still can't recruit the swiss brigades because of the lack of recruiting city and I still don't understand why there aren't more recruitable italian brigades, but hey, I wanted to point this out !

Philsavory
Sergeant
Posts: 99
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:06 am

Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:21 pm

veji1 wrote:Hurray !! for the first time ever, after probably 600 to 700 turns of play, a country outside of Bavaria lent me some forces !!! Both Baden and Wurtemberg sent me expeditionnary forces in march 1807 that I can intregrate in my forces. The Baden force is just 2 regiments (6 elements) but the Wurttemberg one is about 1 div of cavalry and one smallish infantry div with 2 leaders !

Great. Sure Holland and the KOI keep on refusing and I still can't recruit the swiss brigades because of the lack of recruiting city and I still don't understand why there aren't more recruitable italian brigades, but hey, I wanted to point this out !


I too have been lent troops by Württemberg, but I've tried selecting and moving all of their forces, but to no avail. How are they differentiated from their countrymen?

veji1
AGEod Guard of Honor
Posts: 1271
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:44 pm

Philsavory wrote:I too have been lent troops by Württemberg, but I've tried selecting and moving all of their forces, but to no avail. How are they differentiated from their countrymen?


you get a message in the "troop message" dialogue box (the one with the soldiers symbol after the movement one) that says "Wurtemberg lent you Huger Force in Ulm" and this gives you the stack name that was lent to you, you can move it at will AND as I discovered very recently, you can integrate those troops your own builds (if you use your german compatible leaders for example).

Philsavory
Sergeant
Posts: 99
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:06 am

Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:53 pm

veji1 wrote:you get a message in the "troop message" dialogue box (the one with the soldiers symbol after the movement one) that says "Wurtemberg lent you Huger Force in Ulm" and this gives you the stack name that was lent to you, you can move it at will AND as I discovered very recently, you can integrate those troops your own builds (if you use your german compatible leaders for example).


Thanks for the speedy reply. I haven't received a message like you've described yet, but I'll keep my eyes open. Did you get the message the turn after you concluded the expeditionary forces treaty, or was it a few turns later? Thanks in advance.

Return to “Wars of Napoleon”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests