Wierd things playing with Spain

[Fsansir]

Something weird happened to me playing Spain.

I requested aid to my french allies in the siege of Gibraltar (great feature the TAB menu, by the way). They came with general Jacques Law de Lauriston and one division. When I launched the the attack, suddenly friends became foes



I tried it again in another gameplay and the same with Soult and his 3 French divisions



It looks like they fight in the right side but appear in the wrong place of the report.

More weird things. With only 10 WS, only Gibraltar occupied and no way to threat any other Britsh possesion, they sent me this peace offer



Of course I accepted it, and 10 turns after, the British fleets are still blocking the Spanish ports, even the fact that they have them exhausted after being 1 year at sea without return¡ng to port



To remark here that the French Fleets which begins the scenario in Spanish ports don't exist anymore.

Right now I'm on December 1805, so I'll keep reporing here more issues as they appear

[monniker]

For what it's worth it's late 1807 in a game of mine and the British are stationed off my coasts en masse with their best admiral apparently rotting away with no supplies. I think it has to do with the fact that there really isn't much competition for the British navy, and with an over abundance of resources the AI is content to leave part of it in strange positions. With a modestly aggressive naval buildup and lots of captive ships added to the Spanish Navy I'm still less than a third of British naval forces. My guess is the AI doesn't see it as too critical.

[Fsansir]

I understand your point, but the problem I see in my gameplay is that Spain has not been at war against GB for more than 10 turns so, why are they blocking the Spanish ports then?

[monniker]

Oh no, I agree it's probably a bug! I'm just saying that I think the reason why the AI is so sluggish as GB is that they have so much of a navy that the AI gets either bogged down or considers high losses due to poor supply acceptable.

I have no idea why that fleet is there. In my game I haven't been at war with GB since 1805. But in mine, the AI is blocking the exit to Gibraltar, I assume to help with keeping the French locked in the Med. Still, Nelson has sat there for nearly three years! It's a puzzler.

[jmscar]

I have also had some weird experiences with Spain. As I was besieging Gib. a Russian force arrived (I am neutral with Russia with no agreements). After taking Gib. that Russian force has remained for almost a year. Shouldn't they be forced to leave?

Also, I have captured several some ships from other nations, however, it seems they can not receive replacements. Is that correct?

[monniker]

I have never had neutral troops enter Spanish soil before, so I think that may be a bug. Just to ask, does Russia have any treaties with France? That might possibly be the reason they're there but it seems unlikely...

As to replacements with foreign ships I can't see why they can't get replacements... I know once units are outdated through reform you can't replace them. Were they taken from minor powers that might be behind your reform level? I'll check in my game later with some captured ships from Portugal. Most ships I capture are being built in harbors but I'll let you know what I find.

[jmscar]

Thanks for the response. No, looks like Russia and France don't have any agreements, so it seems this Russian force should get displaced if they don't leave on their own. The ships were captured from Algeria. I can see the sense in not being able to replace ships that are more advanced, but seems wrong that ships below your tech level can't be replaced.

Also, the ships I captured in harbors were being built I guess, and they complete and are at full strength, so no issue there. I also captured a British ship after a sea battle and an Algerian ship after a sea battle. But the Alegerian ship won't accept replacements. I have not had a chance to see if the captured British ship will take replacements.

I have also been watching the British fleets sit outside my harbors slowly evaporate over time. Seems like the AI should send the ships back to rest at a certain fatigue level....

[Pocus]

Hi,

I'm definitively interested in the turn where you see the French shown on the wrong side (graphically only, i.e cosmetic bug, not battle engine bug).

GBR fleets not resupplying and doing their picket to death is something we are checking.

For Russians, we are setting several measures about that. In the first patch, the generic AI will be much less prone to wander in neutral territories. Also we are adding Spain has a region of no interest to Russia, specifically.

[V for Vegas]

How does that TAB menu work, I can't find it in the manual?

[Pocus]

It allows to tell any of your ally the regions where they should focus or not focus. Check tooltips and buttons labels, this is all written normally.

[vicberg]

The Generals switching side is in the game engine. Saw the same thing in EAW when Germans went down to support Austrians and showed up on the Serbian side.

There's a discussion of TAB in main forum lower down.

[Fsansir]

Hi,

I'm definitively interested in the turn where you see the French shown on the wrong side (graphically only, i.e cosmetic bug, not battle engine bug).

GBR fleets not resupplying and doing their picket to death is something we are checking.

For Russians, we are setting several measures about that. In the first patch, the generic AI will be much less prone to wander in neutral territories. Also we are adding Spain has a region of no interest to Russia, specifically.

Thank you for your answer. Do you want the saves of the battles? I think I have them (or of one or two turns later, not sure)

Please, fix the problem of the British fleet because they will loose all by 1808 if they stay there without going to port. And then, Spanish and French players have a little opportunity of evading the blockade . In my last gameplay the french tried to leave Cadiz by their own and they lost all their ships against an unsupplied and disorganized Nelson. There is no chance for Spain or France to beat the British at sea, at least give them the opportunity to evade them when they have to go to replenish their fleets.

About Russians in Spain, never had that issue in my gameplay. What I have observed are a lot of small Russian fleets passing by the Gibraltar Straight almost every turn.

And more weird things, I don't understand sometimes the calculations of the power of some stacks



In this image you can see Mesieu Honoré Reille standing at Gibraltar with a power of 218 and when I select him he is alone, with no forces at his command and being allies there is no fog of war. Why? (by the way, please note the once mighty Nelson's fleet at the left of the screenshot)

[vicberg]

it's showing the land power in the region. Doesn't matter if this guy has units or not.

[Fsansir]

it's showing the land power in the region. Doesn't matter if this guy has units or not.

Ok, so they are counting my troops there because we are allies. Understood, thank you.

[Fsansir]

Ok, this one is really annoying.

I disembarked in Palermo and a couple of turns later assaulted the city. In this assault I won against 2 garrison units and took a coastal batery without losses on my side. After this, the city was still Sicilian. Odd.

I tried again


Another victory, but the next turn still Scicilian. I tried again and destroyed a supply train (no screenshot of that one, sorry)

I though no more combat units were in the city, so it should be mine at last. But no, still Sicilian next turn. Ok, trying again



Ok, that one was good. Two garrison (no clue where did they come from) destroyed. Now, that was the good one. But next turn and the city is still Sicilian.

Assaulting again



Same two garrisons respawning and dying again, but when the turn resolution ends still Scilian



Please note that there are no troops inside the city (only Russian and British tourists outside), but I'm sure that if I assault it again the garrisons will appear for sure. The inmortal Sicilians.

I want to remember that there was a similar bug in PON, didn't it?

[Pocus]

Annoying yes, it should have been corrected. Do you have several backups?

[Fsansir]

Annoying yes, it should have been corrected. Do you have several backups?

I've sent you the saves by PM. Thank you for the support

[Drake001]

Had the same thing happen to me while attacking the most northeast Saxon city with the French. There was a stack of Russians in the province as well for the entire assault/repeat. Never did take the city.

[Sir Garnet]

Other than the issues reported, how are you finding Spain in the early low-profile years during which it was allied with France? I imagine Nelson offshore will make naval adventures hazardous unless you can join with the French fleet (I'm curious how the Spanish player might manage that).

[Fsansir]

Well, I think that the gratest achievment for the Spanish player in this game is to never know how good Nelson is. I'll don't leave port until the British fleet return to port to ressuply (or they dissapear for not doing it). In this gameplay, Villeneuve and his fleet departed from Cadiz by their own and they were smashed by Nelson (even the fact that he was with very low supply and cohesion). The French have requested several times that Spain give them an expeditionary fleet, I have rejected all of then because I know for sure they will loose it. I only use light units to move small stacks and officers between Spain and America and, sometimes, small blockades with fast frigates with evasion orders.

Now, we are going to start a Spanish MP and here it would be possible to do coordinated moves with France and face the British superiority together, but Britain is also a human player (and a very good one). We'll all see because we are studying to do an AAR about this MP game...

[Pocus]

In the first patch, AI leaders (including Nelson) will be redeployed much more efficiently

As for the returning recurring renewing immortal garrison bug, can you confirm all that each time you got it, there was a neutral power in the same region?

[Fsansir]

The Russian were there since the begining. There were also British there, but they were not always there (I think that they are the troops of Malta which were "transported" there after I took it in the peace treaty).

[Fsansir]

More weird Spanish (and French) things here,

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?41747-Napoleon-s-Glory