Possible military control bug...

[ajarnlance]

The BEF just invaded Cattaro in my PBEM. On the first turn they win a battle against my Austrian force which has also just arrived in the same turn to defend the region. Here is the battle result:

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As you can see the BEF won a victory. However, the following turn shows that they haven't gained any military control. This places the BEF in a very difficult position since their forces will auto go into attack posture next this turn as they don't have the required 5% MC to go defensive. Seems like a strange result to me... and this isn't the first time I have witnessed this. Earlier in the game my assault on Brest Litovsk resulted in a series of three engagements. I won 2 and lost 1. The next turn... I had gained zero military control... does this seem logical?

The BEF are on the beaches below. They have attacked and won a victory but the Austrians still have 100% military control.

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[PJL]

Definitely looks like a bug to me. The manual states

'If both sides have troops present in a region, neither may increase
Military Control until one side assumes an Offensive Posture
in an attempt to increase control of the region. If the attacker
is successful, the beaten defender will lose a portion of Military
Control and either retreat locally, in which case it will stay in the
region, or retreat to an adjacent region if soundly defeated.'

Can't see any reason why MC should not be at least 5% for the BEF. Only thing I can think of is that the game declares a victory in the battle screen, but actually records a defeat in the actual game itself, and adjusts MC (or not) according to the rules. Either way it's a bug.

[ajarnlance]

Definitely looks like a bug to me. The manual states

'If both sides have troops present in a region, neither may increase
Military Control until one side assumes an Offensive Posture
in an attempt to increase control of the region. If the attacker
is successful, the beaten defender will lose a portion of Military
Control and either retreat locally, in which case it will stay in the
region, or retreat to an adjacent region if soundly defeated.'

Can't see any reason why MC should not be at least 5% for the BEF. Only thing I can think of is that the game declares a victory in the battle screen, but actually records a defeat in the actual game itself, and adjusts MC (or not) according to the rules. Either way it's a bug.

Definitely a bug. The screen shows a victory so the BEF should have atleast 5% military control... probably more. even if the battle was a defeat for the BEF it seems logical that the defeated side should either have disappeared into the adriatic sea OR gained at least a minimum of military control.. ie somewhere to stand their ground. how can a large force remain in the same region as the enemy with zero MC? OK I have seen stealthy units like cavalry raiders manage to do this when on passive posture but that is clearly not the case here.

[ajarnlance]

We move on to the next turn ... the BEF win two more victories on the beaches of Cattaro as shown below...

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HOWEVER... the military control for the BEF remains at 0%... as seen below..

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this must be a bug and it needs patching...

[Jinx]

After you sent the turn in, I reloaded the last turn's HST file and my previous turn's orders, I processed that game from the WE perspective giving the CP and the EE to the AI, about 5 times. Each time we had a victory in Cattaro, kicked your army out, and gained about 80-95% MC.

If its a bug, it has to do with the PBEM side of things.

[PJL]

After you sent the turn in, I reloaded the last turn's HST file and my previous turn's orders, I processed that game from the WE perspective giving the CP and the EE to the AI, about 5 times. Each time we had a victory in Cattaro, kicked your army out, and gained about 80-95% MC.

If its a bug, it has to do with the PBEM side of things.

Or the fact that the Austrian army was kicked out. But even so, the BEF should still be able to get at least some MC, even without kicking the Austrians out. This is also the first time I've seen an amphibious landing on enemy territory in the new patch as well, perhaps something got tweaked in that, which could be affecting it?

[ajarnlance]

After you sent the turn in, I reloaded the last turn's HST file and my previous turn's orders, I processed that game from the WE perspective giving the CP and the EE to the AI, about 5 times. Each time we had a victory in Cattaro, kicked your army out, and gained about 80-95% MC.

If its a bug, it has to do with the PBEM side of things.

It's definitely a bug with the PBEM version for some reason. I also tried rerunning the turn by handing over the WE and EE to the AI... my Austrian army got pushed out of the region and the BEF got 90% MC... which confirms your own findings. When you run the game in PBEM mode the BEF just sits there winning battles and gaining nothing.... The same thing happened to me when I attacked Brest Litovsk a few turns ago. I won 2 out of three engagements that turn... both my armies remained in the BL region but with ZERO military control. I had to abandon my assault. The question is... what do we do now about the BEF?

[Jinx]

It's definitely a bug with the PBEM version for some reason. I also tried rerunning the turn by handing over the WE and EE to the AI... my Austrian army got pushed out of the region and the BEF got 90% MC... which confirms your own findings. When you run the game in PBEM mode the BEF just sits there winning battles and gaining nothing.... The same thing happened to me when I attacked Brest Litovsk a few turns ago. I won 2 out of three engagements that turn... both my armies remained in the BL region but with ZERO military control. I had to abandon my assault. The question is... what do we do now about the BEF?

Well, shoot. I dunno. Nothing much we can do anymore.

I suppose the war must go on. I'll go ahead and plan my next turn.

Thanks for trying.

[marek1978]

Well, shoot. I dunno. Nothing much we can do anymore.

I suppose the war must go on. I'll go ahead and plan my next turn.

Thanks for trying.

If it is a bug you guys should Make Kind of house rule - or exception and agree that Austrian army will whitdraw leaving BEF in control of Cattaro.
3 won Battles should be enough
At least for unopposed evacuetion...

[Altaris]

Can you post the saves for Pocus and me to review?

[ajarnlance]

If it is a bug you guys should Make Kind of house rule - or exception and agree that Austrian army will whitdraw leaving BEF in control of Cattaro.
3 won Battles should be enough
At least for unopposed evacuetion...

That is exactly what I have proposed.. I withdraw .. the BEF evacuate.. still waiting on an answer...

[ajarnlance]

can you post the saves for pocus and me to review?

this turn:

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[ajarnlance]

this turn:

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previous turn:

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[Jinx]

That is exactly what I have proposed.. I withdraw .. the BEF evacuate.. still waiting on an answer...

Sorry for the wait. I wanted to explain to you my reasoning via email. Just sent it two minutes ago.

[Putzibram]

After you sent the turn in, I reloaded the last turn's HST file and my previous turn's orders, I processed that game from the WE perspective giving the CP and the EE to the AI, about 5 times. Each time we had a victory in Cattaro, kicked your army out, and gained about 80-95% MC.

If its a bug, it has to do with the PBEM side of things.

I have encountered exactly the same problem in an AI game when invading Cameroun. Thus if this is a bug then it has definitely nothing to do with PBEM. My best guess is that you only win MC if you push the enemy army out of the region. I don't know if this is WAD but if it is the manual should be changed accordingly.