Kornilov Event Working?

[elxaime]

In a PBEM game I am in as CP, the preliminary conditions for the Kornilov event firing (EE war weariness above 75 and Russian Revolution) have been met. From looking at the script for the event, it seems to have a 35 percent chance of firing each turn. However after about ten turns, still no Kornilov. It doesn't appear to have other prerequisites that need fulfilling.

Once the Russian Revolution came, the Lenin option became available but I haven't activated that event since I don't want the NM hit. I don't believe Kornilov requires that Lenin be played first.

It could just be bad luck, but I am wondering if I am understanding things right. Have other people had Kornilov become available and fire? Does it require not only Russian Revolution but also Lenin to be played?

EDIT

Another potential issue has surfaced in the same PBEM. It is late July 1917 and Eastern Entente reached 0 morale in early July. The second straight turn it shows EE morale at 0 - but no surrender. All EE units (Russia, Romania, Serbian) remain in the game and active.

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[Altaris]

I will check this weekend to see if there's an issue. Sometimes those probabilities can be elusive though.

[elxaime]

Thanks.

[Altaris]

The event structure looks okay to me, can you post your turn save so I can research?

[elxaime]

The event structure looks okay to me, can you post your turn save so I can research?

Here is the saved turn. If you could look at both the Kornilov issue as well as the fact the EE hasn't surrendered despite NM being at 0 for two turns now, thanks.

[Altaris]

I need the .hst file too. Can you provide?

[elxaime]

Here it is (both of them now) -

[Altaris]

Hmmm. I'm not sure, Treaty of Brest-Litovsk fires immediately for me when I run the turn. Who is hosting? Can they zip up the contents for the Events directory so I can see what's going on?

[elxaime]

Hmmm. I'm not sure, Treaty of Brest-Litovsk fires immediately for me when I run the turn. Who is hosting? Can they zip up the contents for the Events directory so I can see what's going on?

I have asked the host of our game to provide this to you.

[Altaris]

Also find out what version is being used by host (this displays when game is loading in bottom right corner of screen, will say EAW followed by a version #)

[elxaime]

Also find out what version is being used by host (this displays when game is loading in bottom right corner of screen, will say EAW followed by a version #)

I am using EAW 1.03 May 26. I will let him reply for himself. I am wondering if that is the issue. We started the PBEM in April and had to restart because we all didn't have the same version. We all updated to EAW 1.03 May 26.

However there is some confusion now.

The AGEOD update still has 1.03 May 13th as the latest update, although there is some back and forth in the thread as to whether that is accurate. There is no other patch listed on the AGEOD website.

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?39350-EAW-1-03-Public-beta-3-(May-13th-update)

Meanwhile, the Matrix website has a 1.03 update for June 12, 2015. I assume this is the final release of the various April and May release candidate versions listed on the AGEOD site and in the various forum thread comments. I do not believe any of us updated to that (or if so, I missed it, since I am still using the May 26 release candidate).

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/533/downloads/To.End.All.Wars

As we sort this out, AGEOD might consider updating its website to link to the same patch as is listed on the Matrix website. When I run the EAW automatic updater, it says I have the latest version, alhough that is apparently not the case.

A related question is whether this can be sorted out to enable our existing game to finish (we are mid-1917) or we would need to do a restart with the Matrix version final update (assuming my colleagues wanted to do that).

[Trueknight]

Hi all!

I'm the host in this game and I can confirm I'm also playing with 1.03 - May 26 version. Attached you may find my Events folder, in a .zip file.

I've also tried as a test to run the turn withouth giving any order (thus reverting CP and EE to AI)... Brest-Litovsk and Lenin events fire up normally.
Then I've loaded the orders from EE and CP (those attached to this thread) and run the turn again... and again Brest-Litovsk fires but no Lenin.

I'm not sure, but maybe it's only been bad luck.

On a side note, we've also seen some strange things going on in th Atlantic Shipping Box...after a long quite time, the Germans sent a few sub and raiders and no matter how many screening and capital ships the WE sends, they keep sinking merchants...probably it's again bad luck, but it kind feels strange..for some time I had the entire British Fleet in the Box, and still I couldn't stop those raiders...

Thanks for your help.

[Altaris]

Ah, I see the issue. The Russian Revolution should be appearing as an RGD in the diplomacy off-map box for Russia, but isn't. I have occasionally seen issues with this in games where versions changed during the game. Unfortunately there isn't a real clear-cut fix for it, and with Russia about to surrender anyway, probably no need for it. If Russian Surrender (Treaty of Brest-Litovsk) doesn't fire in your game, though, let me know and I'll see if I can find a temp fix for you.

[elxaime]

OK, I will see what my opponents want to do.

On the naval issue, my sense from reading the manual is that the submarine war and raider war don't actually lead to any sea battles - the best the WE can do is have enough light units to mitigate the losses.

Anyway, thanks very much for helping us solve this mystery!

[elxaime]

Ah, I see the issue. The Russian Revolution should be appearing as an RGD in the diplomacy off-map box for Russia, but isn't. I have occasionally seen issues with this in games where versions changed during the game. Unfortunately there isn't a real clear-cut fix for it, and with Russia about to surrender anyway, probably no need for it. If Russian Surrender (Treaty of Brest-Litovsk) doesn't fire in your game, though, let me know and I'll see if I can find a temp fix for you.

Hi - my opponents would like to continue. Would you be able to fix the Russian surrender issue in the files I sent you? That way we can finish the game. Thanks.

[Altaris]

So what's the problem with Russian Surrender? Is it not performing as expected?

[elxaime]

The Eastern Entente has been at zero NM for two turns and no Treaty of Brest Litovsk and thus no surrender. Lenin option available for some time but also shows as still locked. Kornilov never available despite prerequisites being met and still shows as locked (although if it is a 35 percent chance could just be ten turns of bad luck). But to finish our game, I think we just need Treaty of Brest Litovsk unlocked.

[Altaris]

It fires fine for me. I'll review tonight and give you a script that will force it to fire.

[Altaris]

I'm not sure why this isn't firing correctly for you. I even copied your event files and processed a turn, it worked fine.

However, since it's causing you problems, you should be able to open the file under Events\WW1_Surrender.sct with Notepad and search for text "evt_nam_surrender_RUS_02", underneath this StartEvent command you will see "Probability = 10", simply change this to "Probability = 100". If that doesn't solve your issue, there is something amiss...

I'm interested to hear how this game ends. Austria-Hungary looks like it's on its last ropes, wonder if the Centrals can pull an upset win fast enough!

[elxaime]

Hi -

I made the change but it didn't do anything. Here is the entire events file (after having made the change)

[Altaris]

Can you remove the Probability = 100 line completely and rerun? Perhaps there's a problem with a random number generator or something. Honestly, I'm at a loss of what else to suggest, every time I run it I get the surrender event.

[elxaime]

I removed the Probability Line and re-ran - still nothing. I was working off a fresh install using the June 12 Matrix update (that version still reads May 26 so I think we are OK).

Let me check with my colleagues again to double check we are all on same version.

EDIT: interesting, I ran the turn with AI filling in for an opponent and the Brest Litovsk fired the next turn. Let me go ahead and send the turn to my opponents and see what happens.

[Altaris]

Hmmm, that's very weird, as there are no AI Check Level conditions to the script. I suspect the side you let the AI take over is using a different game version, but please confirm.

[elxaime]

Hmmm, that's very weird, as there are no AI Check Level conditions to the script. I suspect the side you let the AI take over is using a different game version, but please confirm.

Hi - apparently the issue may have been that the game simply doesn't check the NM being at zero right away. We went ahead and ran the next turn - and Brest Litovsk fired. So it appears we are all right now. I think my expectation was that when NM hits zero, the treaty triggers the next turn. However it appears that a turn has to start with the NM at zero - then it triggers NEXT turn.

Sorry for all the fuss...we appear to be OK now.

[Altaris]

NP, glad you guys got it worked out! Like I said, I'm very interested to see how this one turns out, keep me posted - looks like Eastern Europe is tottering on the edge!

[elxaime]

NP, glad you guys got it worked out! Like I said, I'm very interested to see how this one turns out, keep me posted - looks like Eastern Europe is tottering on the edge!

I don't think I am giving up any intelligence, but here is how I think things stand as of August 1917

- the Eastern Entente is out (although strangely some Romanian artillery and Serbs that were on foreign soil are still there - not sure if this is intended, but maybe needs looking at for next patch)
- however Austria-Hungary Revolution is just triggered
- war-weariness also high with Ottomans - the WE took Jerusalem a while back so that probably didn't help their fighting spirits
- CP has about an 18 NM edge, but this was shaved somewhat when the Grand Fleet beat High Seas flotte last month for 3 NM (the Germans had broken the Atlantic blockade for about two months)
- the Austro-Hungarians managed to break the Mediterranean blockade for one turn, but that's about it
- the French army all of a sudden looks locked in place - something going on over there...hmmm
- Britain war-weariness at 77
- German war-weariness at 60
- USA heading towards Entente, but likely too late to be a factor
- Italy has been in possession of Tyrol cities for many turns, so their war-weariness isn't an issue right now

So basically, looks like a showdown to see who collapses first.

[elxaime]

Update early November 1917 - things look grim for the Central Powers but its not over yet by any means. All hinges on Paris

- EE went out about six turns ago, taking Russia, Serbia and Romania out of the war
- Germans overran British in NW France and moved to gates of Paris, but a decent stack under Kitchener has gathered at Rouen, where they inflicted a stinging defeat on their German pursuers; a couple of NW French cities under siege though
- the German main horde w/Hindenberg fought their way into the Paris region, 52 MC for CP so they are able to reinforce and be on defense (rest is needed since both sides used gas - both sides had about 600k apiece in the first Paris battle
- the big deal however was that AH surrendered last turn; this led to a huge NM hit for the CP plus no doubt the Italian army is now on its way to France
- France got the Clemenceau event, which is +10 NM, -20 war weariness for them - ouch
- US entry at about 94 percent
- British war weariness at 90 percent
- German war weariness at 70 percent; Turks in the 90's
- Bulgarians and Italians OK with war weariness only in 40's-60's
- some battles elsewhere outside France; about half the British Empire forces are elsewhere; in Palestine (where they have held Jerusalem for some time); another large British Empire/Italian/French host is at Edirne and trying for Constantinople; a lesser host with French, Italians and Greeks is marching up the Balkan rails; all three campaigns have been slow moving as the Germans have managed to stiffen the Bulgarian and Turkish defenders by sending their multinational generals; the Bulgarians have even managed to put a big chunk of the Greek army under siege in southern Serbia at Pirot
- some wins by German High Seas Fleet against piecemeal British forces moving through the Channel, but not the earth-shattering thunderclap that was needed, alas
- so, aside from AH surrender and Clemenceau, NM gains from land and sea fights basically cancelled each other out
- Japanese battle fleet in convoy box, but German submarines still doing well; Turks are raiding the Med convoy box now, having escaped from the Dardanelles a few turns ago
- Germans just got level 4 infantry; WE still at level 3, so that should help in Paris battle; however WE NM edge means incessant gas use no doubt;
- CP has had dominance of the air for a while, plenty of Red Barons

So early November, WE NM is 37 and CP NM is 24. The AH surrender plus Clemenceau events basically turned a 20 point CP advantage into a 13 point deficit - grrr!

So basically, either the CP takes Paris or it is all over. The Allies are basically stripping the rest of their front to rush to Paris and so are the Germans; weather is mud and cold. On the plus side for the Germans are the Stosstruppen advantage and the fact that the rival commanders are Hindenberg v. Nivelle.

In retrospect, it was a bad bet to not play the Lenin event when it first appeared, about 20 turns ago. I was counting on Kornilov firing instead, but it never did (terrible luck). I wanted to save the NM, but the extra turns meant the Hapsburgs were themselves on the ropes by the time the Russians/Serbs/Romanians surrendered. The NM loss for Austrian surrender wiped out any gain from waiting. Moral of the story - ALWAYS play Lenin when you get him! A key factor in the Hapsburg troubles was that the Italians had succeeded in taking most of the western Tyrol and holding it. The AH couldn't head back, since the almost dead Russians/Serbs/Romanians were launching very aggressive kamikaze attacks knowing their days were numbered.

We'll see! The next couple of turns should be decisive.

Here is early November on the Paris front:

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And the overall NM situation

[img][IMG]http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu5/elxaime/Capture%20Early%20November_zpsgp3gx6qu.png[/img][/IMG]

NOTE - there appears to have been some bug on VP - notice the CP VP is now in the negatives. Not sure why. The CP had about 11,500 VP; then, for some reason last turn they dropped to negative 74. Oh well, I think this one was going to resolve itself via NM defeat anyway. The VP calculator might be worth looking into for a future patch. One gets used to the occasional AGEOD gremlin - last turn one of my best Turkish generals decided to head to London. Thankfully he wasn't in charge of any forces at the time! I suspect he was trying to defect, heh.

[Altaris]

I'll look into the VP hit, that sounds off.

Sounds like a real nail-biter, the one PBEM I played all the way through was similar to this one, glad to see the game balance holding off at least admirably and believably historical results.

[elxaime]

The war has ended! WE victory as CP morale dropped below 5.

[Altaris]

What was the date?