elxaime wrote:Hmm...our family will vacation in Belgium through August. Should we cancel? Thoughts?
havi wrote:For god and kaiser destroy the slavs...
Ace wrote:Lot of Slavs fought for the Kaiser
elxaime wrote:Hmm...our family will vacation in Belgium through August. Should we cancel? Thoughts?
Le Ricain wrote:Technically speaking, many Slavs fought for Franz Joseph I, Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary. Not so many fought for the Kaiser.
havi wrote:And the second thing Austria-Hungarians had made they mind to destroy Serbia they made so harsh offer o peace to them and even when Serbs accepted it they still came down and attacked them.
havi wrote:By the way do u know 2 greatest thing what Austrian had made? They have all world thinking that Beethoven was Austrian and hitler where German.
havi wrote:Isnt the arcduke murder ordered by Serbian secret police?
Shri wrote:True.
The Serbs and Russians are equally if not more responsible for the war as the 2 Kaisers of Austria and Germany.
Unfortunately as Napoleon said- History is written by the Victors; hence- Germany is an evil nation and Serbia, Russia and France are white angels.
BTW- Alsace Lorraine was part of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (GERMAN EMPIRE in central Europe, Roman was not at all true) for over 500 years before Louis XIV snatched it and Napoleon III snatched Nice from Sardinia (Italy) but both of these annexations are not called bad.
Ace wrote:I thought Kaiser is German word meaning Emperor.
So Franz Joseph would be also Kaiser...
Ace wrote:No, it wasn't ordered by Serbian secret police, and it didn't had any official ties to Serbian government. It was done by terrorist organization that had loose links to influential people in the Serbian government. Notice the difference - it was not state sponsored, but to prosecute those individuals that did sponsor it would be impossible for the Serbian government.
So, they proposed that instead allowing foreign police access, they would conduct their own investigation - the one where they could do damage control.
I don't think Serbia wanted war (I am pretty sure opposite is true), but some of its officials were. The same can be said for the Austrians.
Le Ricain wrote:it is not just history that is written by the victors. They also write the 'facts'. In the Versailles treaty, Germany accepted she was responsible for starting WWI. I agree that Russia had much more to do with the war's start than Germany.
Florent wrote:" You may be correct, but in English the term Kaiser is reserved for the German Emperor. I may be wrong, but I do not think that anyone thought of the Austrian Emperor when you claimed that lots of Slavs fought for the Kaiser. "
Most of us are not Anglo Saxons and Kaiser meaning Emperor ; if a Kaiser has lot of Slavs this is Franz Joseph of Austria with Poles, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats and Czech.
I have ended reading recently "A Mad Catastrophe " about the Austrian Army up to April 1915 and is a very good book.
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