Naval Warfare and National Morale?

[XTRG]

Well to start off it seem's that National Morale should at least be given as a reward..

Basically as the Central Power's using the German fleet i managed to wipe out 99% of the Russian Baltic fleet within 30 day's but earned zero National Morale ? fast forward a few turn's and i sent the German High Sea's Fleet out to the English channel and destroyed 50-60 Ship's of the Entente's navy ( British/French ) mostly cruisers and smaller vessels but some high value Warships such as Battleships were included in the tally all for the loss of 1 single German ship not a squadron but a single ship.

How does this not affect National Morale?

Considering the Battle of Jutland (where the British lost 14 ship's to the Germans while sinking 11 German Warships) had many implications for Britain, even as the Admiralty claimed victory there was public and governmental criticism about the losses of Warships and Sailors. You can imagine the sheer shock if Britain was to loose up too 60 Warships in a month.

It just seem's that the Navies are overshadowed..The massive power projection of Britain and her fleet and the sheer amount of Prestige involved with the construction of the Dreadnoughts as well as the potential loss of Prestige and World standing that would result from the loss of a Dreadnought in combat is not evident especially considering that in 1914 there was just a grand total of 63 Dreadnoughts between all of the Naval Powers.

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I can imagine it would be hard to Balance but considering that one of the reasons leading to increased tension in Europe in the year's before the Great war was the Anglo-German naval Arms race, i just believe that Naval Victories of such scale should be rewarded in game with either NM or maybe nation that lost their fleet could take a "10%" Rebel Alignment hit which would represent the loss of faith in the Navy to protect and serve the Nation and people's.

Anyone opinions and thoughts or ways to balance Naval warfare or to make it more engaging and important to the game ( I do adore this game and i thoroughly enjoy recording it )

[Altaris]

There was 0 NM gain? Did you win any of the battles? IIRC, you only get NM if you win, regardless of how many ships are sunk.

Also, how many of your own ships were sunk? If you lost a similar amount, the NM effects offset to a degree.

[XTRG]

There was 0 NM gain? Did you win any of the battles? IIRC, you only get NM if you win, regardless of how many ships are sunk.

Also, how many of your own ships were sunk? If you lost a similar amount, the NM effects offset to a degree.

oh dear i would say at least 5 or 6 against the Baltic fleet, each being a victory with large Russian losses.

Vs the British and French each of maybe 4 or 5 battle's were all victory's so even on a victory i received no NM but on a defeat "( Forced out due to low cohesion ) lost me 1 NM which seem's kinda unfair

[Stauffenberg]

Anyone opinions and thoughts or ways to balance Naval warfare or to make it more engaging and important to the game ( I do adore this game and i thoroughly enjoy recording it )

I think you are right and the NM penalties could be refined. It's not just a matter of losing capital ships (although that is central), it is managing public perceptions about what might appear to be any sort of catastrophic naval defeat. It might also be refined in terms of the period of the war these naval battles occur: would a massive maiming of the German High Seas Fleet by the Royal Navy in 1914 severely damage German morale and have them seeking an armistice? Not a chance; however it would be far more likely if this occurred in 1917. Conversely I don't think The British could ever be as severely damaged morale-wise as long as they at least have a coastal defense fleet in being of some sort.

And NM rewards for victory, yes.

[XTRG]

I think you are right and the NM penalties could be refined. It's not just a matter of losing capital ships (although that is central), it is managing public perceptions about what might appear to be any sort of catastrophic naval defeat. It might also be refined in terms of the period of the war these naval battles occur: would a massive maiming of the German High Seas Fleet by the Royal Navy in 1914 severely damage German morale and have them seeking an armistice? Not a chance; however it would be far more likely if this occurred in 1917. Conversely I don't think The British could ever be as severely damaged morale-wise as long as they at least have a coastal defense fleet in being of some sort.

And NM rewards for victory, yes.

A decisive victory at Jutland for Germany would of been just immense for German morale it simply cannot but said enough, during the early year's the German people began to see Russia less and less as the Mortal Enemy but rather Britain was the true Enemy of the German people.

If the German's had achieved a victory at jutland it would of changed the war in a number of way's considering after jutland the German fleet raided only 2 or 3 times during the rest of the war had however they infact won a tactical or decisive victory would the German fleet be able to ensure imports from Neutral countries reached germany and the Netherlands and more so the Blockade would be broken for a time and the idea of the " Invincible British Fleet " would have been shattered.

i think NM is a odd mechanic at the moment it's very easy to loose morale at time's say 1 NM for a tiny garrison surrendering being a good example