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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:21 am

Something looked weird indeed. We could not find what happened there and why SOI seemed to have vanished. I have done a quickfix for that. Contact me by email to get it (pthibaut@ageod.net)

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:03 pm

We will add back what we think are very important data to the 1880 campaign, and also ease on the new DOW condition for the next quick fix.

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:26 am

Pocus wrote:We will add back what we think are very important data to the 1880 campaign, and also ease on the new DOW condition for the next quick fix.

I am looking forward to the next quickfix ;-)

It will cover all still pending issues, I presume ?

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:43 pm

Sadly no, PON is an old game and we are only patching what is the most critical on our spare time (or free time, i.e evening or week-end). Sorry if that disappoint you, at least we are honest with you. :sourcil:

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:22 pm

:crying:

Thanks for being frank. So what will be patched, and when ? The issues I am aware of are:

    * strings strVPHistoryTitle and strPpopHintRgnName are still missing:

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    * - Leaders are not displaying experience;

    * - Di_NAM_DECLARE_WAR string displaying incorrectly in Foreign Ministry (not currently able to upload image);

    *- Gulf of Guinea pop up trade box does not display all ships; main on-map box does

    * - Bad strings for Str_CMN_rgd_territory_ongoing continues to be displayed (iirc its in the MInnesota region)

    * - Periodically I will receive a message that my Shipyards have produced Merchant, Light Warship and Heavy Warship replacement but there is no box for Heavy Warships on the F3 panel- Merchants, Common Merchants and Light Warships are all displayed correctly for S-P;

    * - S-P has made incursions into Nigeria/West Africa: occupying and developing Biafra which is controlled by "Nobody" and "Nobody" has a 24 percent military control; and the relations string states: "At war with Nobody", saw this briefly in Lagos as well despite being at war with Benin;

    * the problem with the Caribbean Maritime Trade box, outlined at the link below, has been solved. However, with the South Andes Trade area (South Pacific Maritime Trade box), it still prevails. I haven't checked for the other Maritime Trade boxes.

    http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=50271

    * Grouping together of buy orders within a trade box, individual countries can no longer be selected or dis-selected for trade. Also, if the high price option is selected, it is selected for all states selling that good:

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:26 pm

Regarding the grouping of buy order, the code (and the design) never supported that you can buy from a particular country, only that you buy, in this trading area, this specific resource. Sellers will then compete to be the one selling you the resource.

If there is a bug, then it is a fixed bug, i.e now you see that when you buy a resource, you don't buy it to a specific country and this is shown in the interface by linking all buttons representing the same resource to the same + buttons or the same 'high price' buttons.

I really doubt that it worked differently before.

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:59 pm

Pocus wrote:If there is a bug, then it is a fixed bug
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Thanks for the clarification. It certainly looked differently before, creating the illusion that certain nations within a trading area could be favoured for trade.

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:02 am

Siegfroh wrote:So what will be patched, and when ?

The reason why I ask is that I don't like to start a game while another patch is pending. Probably, I can find workarounds for at least some of the bugs and issues myself, but it is a waste of time if they are to be repaired anyway - and more competently than I can do it.

Maybe I am the only one who thinks like this. For playing AGEOD games a more error tolerant mind than mine seems to be advantageous ;-)

And I don't want to pester anybody with my questions and demands. It is because I like the concept and modding possibilities of the game that I still do ask.

To "ease on the new DOW condition" will result in a more dynamic gameplay, I hope.

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:02 pm

Pocus wrote:We will add back what we think are very important data to the 1880 campaign, and also ease on the new DOW condition for the next quick fix.


Hi pocus, am taker of course
btw can't even find where to download the last 1.04 without even the quickfix, a pity - can you help me ? link no longer works, and can the code of copy I got long ago works with matrix site ?

working on the 19th century card driven boardgame with potentially calvinus (he's very busy elsewhere) and I hope, crisis/political orientation system, albeit simplified, could be satisfactory - guess I found a way to differentiate very different crisis in a crdible historical way ... took some time to sediment

had also some news from Pilthib, can discuss it in private

congrats for your choice of next subject, am enthusiastic of course

bood luck in the job , bon courage

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:21 pm

Hi Christophe,

PON will get a few extra quick fixes but nothing major as we had to move one since some months even years now.

I'll upload again the link very soon! I'm happy to see you are well with current games projects.

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:10 pm

Here an image of the missing string user Prussia has mentioned:
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PS. And it seems, leaders ARE displaying experience. Reloading an old game I stopped in 1856 because of bugs, I found a few leaders with between one and three stars. But in spite of several wars I had fought by then, most of the leaders did not have any experience. Maybe only the highest leader in command is eligible to increase his experience during a battle ?

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:19 am

The five errors reported on non translated strings should be fixed in the next patch.

The problem on events not doing anything (ships replacements), is weird, but I'll forward it to PhilThib, is the the events designers.

Complex problems like a colonial penetration switching to national status every other turn and such like won't be fixed any time soon. They are difficult to reproduce, are erratic and very time consuming, a time we don't have currently for PON, sorry.


Will try to upload a 'full' quickfix 1.04.3 today at least so it is a all-in-one file.

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:05 pm

Many thanks ! Everything works well !

Except for Japan (Imperialism rating of 1), whose player cannot declare war on any nation. Probably, the same issue with the USA (Imperialism rating of 4):

http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=250

Besides that, as far as I can tell, only these, less important, issues remain:

- Missing string:

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- By event, sometimes shipyards produce replacement parts for Merchants, Light Warships and Heavy Warships. But for Prussia (owning no heavy warship) ony the replacements for Light Warships appear in the F3 screen. The Prussian merchants (CMN) don't get these replacement parts.

PS. Not an issue: The replacement parts for Heavy Warships appear in the F3 screen as soon as a Heavy Warship is built.

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- and a nice to have, tooltips for the last three columns in the element screen, indicating penetration, damage inflicted, and cohesion loss inflicted.

(earlier pointed out here: http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=327&t=43488 )

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:12 am

Dumb question perhaps but where's the download link for v1.04.3? Tried the link in Post #2 but got a "This download is no longer available" message. Thanks in advance and apologies if it's obvious.

-C

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:09 am

First posting in this thread:

link (copy & paste in your browser)
ftp.ageod.com/pub/PON/PONQF1043.exe

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:20 pm

Great. Is this a comprehensive patch? What is to be done / considered others than execute the exe file?

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:39 pm

@Siegfroh,

That did it, thank you.

-C

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:24 pm

A glitch, or working as intended ?

Playing as Prussia, in the diplomacy screen I don't have the Promise Local Support option available, for no nation.

The 3-Promise Local Support.dpl file gives the explanation: condition for this action is a diplomacy rating of 4: MinDiplomacy = 4

In 1850, Prussia has got a diplomacy value of 3. Means its diplomacy is so underdeveloped that nobody would believe their promises anyway ?

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:58 pm

Concerning the event that sometimes shipyards produce replacement parts for Merchants, Light Warships and Heavy Warships, the information given in the accompanying message is wrong, the replacement parts are not produced for Merchants, but for Transports.

See the example below: two replacements for light warships were given, five for transports, and as I don't own heavy warships, the one replacement for them was lost:
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:59 pm

In miltary mode, some images on top of the screen are messed up.

The second should indicate railway capacity (not ammunition), and the third river transport (not railways):
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:35 pm

During a crisis, Austria breaks its defense treaty with Bavaria:
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However, this defense treaty continues to exist (situation two turns after the crisis). There was no renewal of the defense treaty announced in the diplomatic messages:
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.2

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:30 pm

String strVPHistoryTitle is still missing:

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:32 pm

Missing string:
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:48 pm

My ally Austria (defensive treaty) has given me back the region of Ostmark (message 10/11 below), but the flag remains Austrian (upper left region):
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:09 pm

Monster stack:
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:38 pm

And the campaign AI could be improved a bit.

Austria, having a defensive treaty with Prussia, declared war against Russia.

Austria sent the bulk of its army west towards Berlin, already before Prussia declared war on Russia.

Later, Bavaria, which also had a defensive treaty with Austria, joined in the war against Russia.

Now Austrian troops are protecting Berlin, its troops don't move from there. And Vienna is slightly exposed.

Shouldn't the focus be on protecting the own territory first with the bulk of one's troops, and support allies only with smaller detachments ?
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:39 pm

Two missing strings:
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:12 am

Through a crisis against Sweden I won 400 prestige points, but they were not added to my prestige points shown on the main screen (neither in the next turn):
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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:43 am

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Wrong graphics name:

Pride of Nations\VGN\Graphics\Armies&Fleets\Land Army\Army_HES_Inf1850_RT1.png

must be renamed

Pride of Nations\VGN\Graphics\Armies&Fleets\Land Army\Army_HES_Inf1840_RT1.png

(Pride of Nations\VGN\Graphics\Portraits\Land Models\mdl_HES_Inf1840_RT1.png is correctly named.)

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Re: PON official quickfix 1.04.3

Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:19 pm

Prestige point gain through a crisis: 407.

I did not get these points. But miraculously, I received an unrecorded prestige gain of 107, which appears only in the "final amount" (which is 107 higher than would be expected by a mathematician):
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