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PON2-scripting Turning points - Panslavism revisited

Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:53 pm

http://books.google.fr/books?id=nU_cAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA101&lpg=PA101&dq=1882+panslav+skobelev&source=bl&ots=1kcN01U164&sig=PM06cxm7ushNnPxyxmvVFgi1THs&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=S5qHUoSkHIHS0QX_p4GoCw&ved=0CFsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=1882%20panslav%20skobelev&f=false

"In spite of 3 Emperors alliance ... the humiliation of Russia at the Berlin Congress unbalanced psychologically the design of Russian foreign policy" (kennan) Young and unexperienced Alexander III received conflicting advice from his pro german foreign minister (Giers) and his panslav advisors. He reacted by trying to ...implement both viewpoints ... simultaneously ! ;) Giers was encouraged to seek cooperation with Berlin while behind his back panslavist Russian generals and foreign office servants had a free hand to intrigue in balkans and foster hostile anti german press campaign. the anti german bias became apparent when general Obruchev, a notorious panslavist, was appointed in the Stavka and building of strategic Poland railway began. In 1882 the war hero Skobelev delivered in Paris, to Serb students, a heated anti German discurse descriving the Germans as "natural enemies of slavs, war is unavoidable between Slavic and teutonic race !". Very annoyed, Bismarck had to try to strngthen Giers position, deter panslavists, patch up things to avoid escalation, and seized first opportunity to add Italy to his system (when France occupied Tunisia) to foster Austria security.


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As you can see, panslavist was a very deep nationalist movement, entrenched both in a great part as a popular movement of Russian people and of its elites (nobility, military, high civil servants) and targeting not only Ottoman Empire (opressing brothers of race and religion) and Austria (ditto, but opressing much less), but even germany itself, laying ground for a future shift of alliances. here too, influential.


therefore a design choice/suggestion NOT to make it optional - here too, it is structural of evolution of relations of Russia with Ottoman, Austria, Germany, France, and smaller Balkanic states - and so it is of the reaction of germany, Austria and Turkey, moving closer to face the threat

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so I expanded somehow the initial Philippes script (and once again, it is open to discussion, this is a big part of the aim of this forum) :


here it is :
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[color="#FF0000"]- (ordnance) Your Lordship, sorry to awake you, but The french are at our door !

- Alarm, alarm, how did you let this happen and not awake me ! repel them, counterattack at once !

- err, your Lordship, ahem... French are our allies, Marshal de St Arnaud is expected to attend to a conference with you !

- ahem, well, .... very well ..let them in !

(charge of the light brigade movie)
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Christophe.Barot
Posts: 1138
Joined: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:55 pm
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Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:14 pm

SelectFaction = $RUS
SelectRegion = $Petersburg
StartEvent = evt_nam_RUS_Panslavism|1|2|evt_txt_RUS_Panslavism|Event-img_RUS_Panslavism1867|$Petersburg|NULL

Conditions
MinDate = 1867/06/01
MaxDate = 1897/06/01
Probability = 15

[color="#40E0D0"]//I expanded change of relations, as while most powers cooled relations with Russia (expansionnist imperialist, especially towards ottoman, and threatening balance of power) - less for France - minor Balkanic states, orthodox, slavs or both, welcomed the support[/color]

Actions
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ChgFacRelationships = AUS;-25
ChgFacRelationships = GBR;-15
ChgFacRelationships = ITA;-5
ChgFacRelationships = TUR;-25
ChgFacRelationships = SER;15
ChgFacRelationships = MON;15
ChgFacRelationships = BUL;15
ChgFacRelationships = RUM;5
ChgFacRelationships = GRE;5
ChgVPCount = 150
ChangeFacMorale = 5
ChgObjective = $Serbia;8
ChgObjective = $Bulgaria;10
ChgObjective = $Slovakien;5
ChgObjective = $Wallachia;8
ChgObjective = $Kroatia;3
ChgObjective = $Temesvar;3
ChgObjective = $Andrianople;5
[color="#FF0000"]// ChgFacRelationships = FRA;-5 is for pangermanism
// ChgFacRelationships = RUS;-5
// ChgFacRelationships = AUS;10
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[color="#40E0D0"]// I added too an INTERMEDIARY bias, tricky as event can take place before or after the 1890 era implementation, it makes change more progressive (especially for Austrian/Russian relationships)and linked to events, note :
// - that France is little impacted - with ZAlsace Lorraine loss, her interest for "levant" has become minimal
// - last ditch effort from Bismarck to patch up things and keep both Austrian and Russian friendship - increased likeliness of support will have to be removed with the "old pilot"
// - Italy slightly more hostile to Russia, both to please Britain and by rivalry with southern slavs and Russia in balkans [/color]


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[color="#40E0D0"]// last, I took in consideration the destabilizing effect of Panslavism on Austrian and most of all Ottoman Empires by fostering dissent in slavic populations
// note absence of effect on Slovenia/Croatia both for loyalty for Habsburg and defiance of Serbs and, even more, Italians, and on Poles for obviopus reasons[/color]

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EndEvent
[color="#FF0000"]- (ordnance) Your Lordship, sorry to awake you, but The french are at our door !

- Alarm, alarm, how did you let this happen and not awake me ! repel them, counterattack at once !

- err, your Lordship, ahem... French are our allies, Marshal de St Arnaud is expected to attend to a conference with you !

- ahem, well, .... very well ..let them in !

(charge of the light brigade movie)
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