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Justice for Nathan Bedford Forrest black cavalrymen.

About 20% of lieutenant general Forrest hand picked men were afro americans.

Why don't AGEOD honor these men with own artwork?

That would be utterly complex to do, with a specific picture, then a specific model, just for these...where would it stop...every regiment would have their own specifics one day or another and we would end up making red-hair Irishmen there, blond Scnadinavians there...and why not Gothic characters on regiments with Germanic conscripts...that would be endless.

But of course, if someone wishes to supply the right picture for the soldiers, we could find a way to add this inside a future patch.

I would leave most to modding, hope we have artists also playing this game.

One that does need official attention are the models for the regiments in Indian Territory.
If black volunteers would be displayed holding shields and javelins that would be an issue soon, just comparing.

I have asked the artist a new picture for the Indians fighting with CSA/USA in IT...I expect to have it for a future patch soon

PhilThib wrote:I have asked the artist a new picture for the Indians fighting with CSA/USA in IT...I expect to have it for a future patch soon

Not an priority but nice to hear, you really are great with the fans.

RebelYell wrote:Not an priority but nice to hear, you really are great with the fans.

That is very true!

As to Forrest’s black cavalrymen, that was his personal guard and an elite force, but it was not a full Regiment.

They were a company of about 80 men and none of the special abilities the game has would do them justice. They have been compared to a Civil War Delta Force.

We only know of two of Forrest’s 46 black volunteers that were members of his escort company. One was killed at Tupelo. The other 45 survived the war. We know that most of them fought in addition to any other duties they had, from Union reports, but most were part of his logistics staff.

The Escort Company were scouts and shock troops who took on some special missions. I guess you would have to use a Ranger company with elite status, very fast mover and master spy abilities and a CP coast of 0 as the base unit.

What???

Someone correct me if I am wrong:

At the end of the war, Forrest's cavalry had 65 African Americans on its muster, which would have included troopers & servants. I believe that his regiment numbered 650 souls.

In Forrest's Escort there were only eight African Americans.

Forrest took 45 of his slaves to war with the understanding that they would be freed if they performed well. They were freed according to Forrest.

Which regiment are you talking about?

His first, his second, or his third? I will assume you mean the one he had at the end of the war as part of his Corps.

The size of his Escort Company comes form here:

Nathan Bedford Forrest's Escort and Staff by Michl R. Bradley

Review here: http://www.cwbr.com/index.php?q=3779&field=ID&browse=yes&record=full&searching=yes&Submit=Search

Nathan Bedford Forrest black cavalrymen.
As another source:

->[color="#0000FF"]'Black Confederates: The Forgotten Men in Gray' Clip 2[/color]

I am afraid that this all goes to a larger issue. Most people disregard black fighting in Confederate ranks and say they were only slaves doing as they were told.

At the start of the war, there were more than 250,000 free black men living in the south. Many were slaveholders. Even a higher percentage of them held slaves as the general population.

It is also one of the complexities of human nature that Masters and Slaves could have bonds of attachment and affection between them. It also ignores the fact that blacks could feel the same patriotism for the land of their birth as anyone else, even if they are only slaves.

Everyone says the war was only about slavery but this is not the case. While the south may have seceded primarily to secure the institution, it was about much more than that. It was about strong Federal government vs. States Rights.

To the average Northern Volunteer it was about preserving the Union. Freeing blacks was not even a popular proposition. Had they thought the war was about slavery, most would have stayed at home. Abolitionists were at least as unpopular in the North (outside of New England) as they were in the south. The New York Draft Riots were more about freeing blacks than they were about serving in the army.

Can we all now focus on finding bugs, reporting it to Phil and the lads, be happy in our work and proceed with the game?

Klink, Oberst

The game is also about history and ways to incorporate it into the game.

Tech support is about bugs. The general forum is about all the rest of it.

There is a specific sub-forum : [url=http://www.ageod-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?77-ACW-History-Club-Histoire-de-la-Guerre-de-Sécession]ACW History Club[/url]

Note that each time somebody is arguing on the true reason the war was fought for, he is opening the Pandora box

I like the insight Ol' Choctaw provided. It's great to learn something about history

Mickey3D wrote:There is a specific sub-forum : [url=http://www.ageod-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?77-ACW-History-Club-Histoire-de-la-Guerre-de-Sécession]ACW History Club[/url]

Note that each time somebody is arguing on the true reason the war was fought for, he is opening the Pandora box

Good way to find opponents to play the game against.

minipol wrote:I like the insight Ol' Choctaw provided. It's great to learn something about history

My experiences apy: taught me you should always listen/read to both sides before making your mind.

Please do not understand my post as a judgement on Ol'Choctaw statements, it's just a general comment : This is a complex subject that happened 150 years ago with no possibility to get direct insight from the actors (except through the documents they left).

EDIT : Somebody (don't remember who) provided this link where you'll find "declaration of causes of seceding" made by the Confederate States and an union soldier letter describing his feeling about race.

RebelYell wrote:Good way to find opponents to play the game against.

A kind of modern ordeal

Mickey3D wrote:Please do not understand my post as a judgement on Ol'Choctaw statements, it's just a general comment

That's how I understood it so no worries.
I just like history