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Asia Minor

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:51 pm
by lycortas2
Pergamum at this time should be much larger, at least until the year of 4 emperors. Smyrna on the other hand should be smaller until the Severus scenario, Smyrna grew after the harbour at Ephesus silted up.

In the Marius-Sulla scenario Ephesus, Colophon region has a civilization rating of 35. Clearly an error, i would suggest 80.

Michael

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:34 pm
by PhilThib
Can you suggest city sizes values then :cool:

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:56 pm
by lycortas2
One of the most important things to know about ancient demography is that Russel is wrong. Always. He never acknowledged water sources, usage or limits or farming sustainability.

In 87Bce I would list Ephesus at maybe 300,000 people, Pergamum at 150,000 maybe a few more, Smyrna at 100,000, maybe a few less.

In 69Ce I would list Ephesus at 350,000, Pergamum at 100,000-125,000 and Smyrna at 125,000.

In 197 I would put Ephesus at 200,000, Pergamum at 75,000, and Smyrna at 350,000 to 400,000.

These may be a bit high as there is a lot of debate on ancient populations, but these are lower than Russel who would just read an ancient source and quote it.
The numbers i am providing are largely from aqueduct usage records, archaeological finds and tax records.
We have excellent tax records from Vespasian and Titus' time on the throne which helps firm up numbers.

Hope this is of help,
Michael

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:13 pm
by yellow ribbon
thats very good information, but needs to be expressed somewhat in the reference scale of city levels and supply from it

can you define the largest city in the area and say it would be xyz city levels, and other cities a lower level

or take the largest city, like Rome and express the cities in question an certain lower level

for now, would you agree to simple ratio:

Ephesus 3 : 1 Pergamum

while

Ephesus - 69 == +197 Smyrna

?