Pergamum at this time should be much larger, at least until the year of 4 emperors. Smyrna on the other hand should be smaller until the Severus scenario, Smyrna grew after the harbour at Ephesus silted up.
In the Marius-Sulla scenario Ephesus, Colophon region has a civilization rating of 35. Clearly an error, i would suggest 80.
Michael
One of the most important things to know about ancient demography is that Russel is wrong. Always. He never acknowledged water sources, usage or limits or farming sustainability.
In 87Bce I would list Ephesus at maybe 300,000 people, Pergamum at 150,000 maybe a few more, Smyrna at 100,000, maybe a few less.
In 69Ce I would list Ephesus at 350,000, Pergamum at 100,000-125,000 and Smyrna at 125,000.
In 197 I would put Ephesus at 200,000, Pergamum at 75,000, and Smyrna at 350,000 to 400,000.
These may be a bit high as there is a lot of debate on ancient populations, but these are lower than Russel who would just read an ancient source and quote it.
The numbers i am providing are largely from aqueduct usage records, archaeological finds and tax records.
We have excellent tax records from Vespasian and Titus' time on the throne which helps firm up numbers.
Hope this is of help,
Michael
In 87Bce I would list Ephesus at maybe 300,000 people, Pergamum at 150,000 maybe a few more, Smyrna at 100,000, maybe a few less.
In 69Ce I would list Ephesus at 350,000, Pergamum at 100,000-125,000 and Smyrna at 125,000.
In 197 I would put Ephesus at 200,000, Pergamum at 75,000, and Smyrna at 350,000 to 400,000.
These may be a bit high as there is a lot of debate on ancient populations, but these are lower than Russel who would just read an ancient source and quote it.
The numbers i am providing are largely from aqueduct usage records, archaeological finds and tax records.
We have excellent tax records from Vespasian and Titus' time on the throne which helps firm up numbers.
Hope this is of help,
Michael
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thats very good information, but needs to be expressed somewhat in the reference scale of city levels and supply from it
can you define the largest city in the area and say it would be xyz city levels, and other cities a lower level
or take the largest city, like Rome and express the cities in question an certain lower level
for now, would you agree to simple ratio:
Ephesus 3 : 1 Pergamum
while
Ephesus - 69 == +197 Smyrna
?
can you define the largest city in the area and say it would be xyz city levels, and other cities a lower level
or take the largest city, like Rome and express the cities in question an certain lower level
for now, would you agree to simple ratio:
Ephesus 3 : 1 Pergamum
while
Ephesus - 69 == +197 Smyrna
?
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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