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Help me Identify the helmets.

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:58 pm

Help me identifying the Roman helmets from the roman unit graphics in AJE. Im going to list them in the file order, beginning with Early and ending with Middle.

Early Imperial

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  • Unit_ROM_Early_Empire_Archer0
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  • Unit_ROM_Early_Empire_Legion1
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  • Unit_ROM_Early_Empire_Legion2
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  • Unit_ROM_Early_Empire_Legion3
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  • Unit_ROM_Early_Empire_Legion4
    this one is a bug because if you look in Armies&Fleets and Portraits it has different graphics than the one in Units

Imperial

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  • Unit_ROM_Empire_Legion1
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  • Unit_ROM_Empire_Legion2
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  • Unit_ROM_Empire_Legion3

Mid Imperial
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion1
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion2
    this one is a bug because if you look in Armies&Fleets and Portraits it has different graphics than the one in Units
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion3
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion4
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion5
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion6
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion7
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion8
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  • Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion9
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Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:02 pm

During the middle roman empire it became fashionable for Roman legionaries to wear cavalry helmets. Like in this picture (Battle of Nisibis against the Parthians 218 ad), but only one guy has them that is Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion7

Also by the time of the middle empire, the spatha become the standard infantry sword. Yet Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion9 has a gladius. But Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion6 and Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion7 are holding a Spatha.

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Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:55 pm

To Wijse :

Is that possible to you to mod the Unit : "Unit_CEL_Chariot0" in a libyan chariot ?

It could be very excellent for my next work...

Thanks you for your talentuous work ! :thumbsup: (and sorry for my poor English...)

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Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:05 pm

El Nino wrote:To Wijse :

Is that possible to you to mod the Unit : "Unit_CEL_Chariot0" in a libyan chariot ?

It could be very excellent for my next work...

Thanks you for your talentuous work ! :thumbsup: (and sorry for my poor English...)


These are done by PANGI. I just need some help identifying the helmets and trying to figure out which helmets belong to which period.
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Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:28 pm

El Nino wrote:To Wijse :

Is that possible to you to mod the Unit : "Unit_CEL_Chariot0" in a libyan chariot ?

It could be very excellent for my next work...

Thanks you for your talentuous work ! :thumbsup: (and sorry for my poor English...)


EL Nino look in the modding AJE subforum.
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Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:35 pm

steel helmets, at least the grafics

Unit_ROM_Empire_Legion1

Unit_ROM_Empire_Legion2

Unit_ROM_Empire_Legion3


seem clearly derived from a famous replica

[color="#FF0000"]Helm Imperial Gallic G (Weisenau)[/color] (found/replica based on Carnuntum). the brass ribbon/bronze ribbon over the eyes is typical

its even on Wiki, with a start why who said its from time xyz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_helmet

the article is furthermore listing the historians classification between

italian+letter

imperial+province+letter

etc

how you want to use them in a certain timeline is up to u, even historians are arguing about it ;)
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.

PS:

‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘

Clausewitz

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Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:38 pm

found his old book in the online lib.

alone for the type Weisenau, H. Russell Robinson had different classes

Imp Gallic goes from A-K with subclass naming from locations

Typ Nijmegen
Typ Worms
Typ Augsburg
Typ Aquincum

Imp Italian goes from A - H

Typ Cremona
Typ Mainz
Typ Hebron
Typ Niedermörmter

at least 4 classes are considered derivates of this helmet, Auxiliar helmets A - D

but after 1975 a lot of work of adding classes, locations, variations proven from sometime only two or even one archaeological found are given, differently named in different countries

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how fine this differences are, can be shown from the reenactment scene.

a simple start i.e.

http://www.imperiumancientarmory.com/Helmets_Gallic.html

better

http://www.imperiumancientarmory.com/Helmets.htm

EDIT:

http://www.armae.com/antiquite/11antiquitecadre.htm for sideviews mainly

here you find also a clue, that the

Unit_ROM_Mid_Empire_Legion4 (and others)

is close to the Aquincum helmet

which however is not a that large jump in the timeline, that you could say it was used mid. imperial time
...not paid by AGEOD.

however, prone to throw them into disarray.



PS:



‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘



Clausewitz

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