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Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:19 pm

Comrades Trotsky and Rysperatov, with these disclosed documents seems evident to me that a coup to seizure the power is mandatory! :dada:

Malateste Randomivich? :D

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Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:41 pm

Must be that counter-revolutionary Edwardovich Snowdensky again. Sic Comrade Stalin and the Cheka on him.

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It is rumored that Rypsterakov is a distant relative of mine :blink: , but I also believe that I.M. Randomivich is related to our own Master Random, lapsed Catholic, former heretic and now Red revolutionary :rolleyes: . As to what becomes of the revolution given the kinder, gentler Lenin's decision to crush the perfidious Poles remains to be seen. Unfortunately exploitative capitalism commands my attention today so additional posting must wait until tomorrow!

Oh, and welcome, Buck Turgidson! One of my favorite characters in one of my favorite movies "Well, look baby, I can't, can't talk to you now, but... My president needs me. Of course Bucky would rather be there with you. Of course it isn't only physical. I deeply respect you as a human being. Someday I'm gonna make you Mrs. Buck Turgidson. Listen, you go back to sleep. Bucky'll be back there just as soon as he can. All right? Listen, sug', don't forget to say your prayers."
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Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:53 am

Supposedly Kubrick had George C Scott do 3 takes of each scene - one straight, one under-played, one over-played. Kubrick used all the over-played takes, which Scott disliked.

I like Slim Pickens' Major Kong.

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One of the best scenes in film history, Major Kong rides the bomb...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

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Moscow, Late December 1920

Putting aside his misgivings regarding Comrade Lenin's recent decisions for the 1921 campaign, Commissar Trotsky consults his maps, the various status reports from the GHQs, and even brings in Comrade Rypsterakov to help him create orders to implement Lenin's vision:

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Once more the Red Army prepares for war!
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The Fronts and the Campaign Plan: Early January 1921


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RMCGHQ is organizing four additional Red Army Divisions, two for WFGHQ and two for EFGHQ.

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Victory or Defeat? Early January 1921


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Ripster8 wrote:Minsk: Minsk.jpg

You didn't put my patch! (wrong Neman name south from Kaunas):
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By the way, all these WSU: You already prepare for WW2? :turc: :D

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Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:23 am

I have a plethora of WS because I need my conscripts and money for the numerous 'Waves of Desertion' events that continue to plague the Red Army. So we are directing our factories to create more consumer goods for the workers and peasants...if only I could!

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April 1921, The Red Storm Breaks


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Additionally, KOMCOR Berzin has captured PERM. Reinforcements are enroute but there are several White units in the area.

Overall White resistance, except in Poland, is very weak. I used the 'Raise Money' event to drive down my National Morale below 100, so the Left/SR would no longer sap my victory points via scripted events - should have done that earlier! I don't think I will capture 20 victory cities, but it will be close on victory points.

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May 1921


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Perm holds!
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On to Grozny!
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Ripster8 wrote:we are directing our factories to create more consumer goods for the workers and peasants...if only I could!

Good idea for a patch! :D
'Mechanic Tools&Toys', the communist wallmart, 40 years early! 'For people according to your needs'

Ripster8 wrote:I used the 'Raise Money' event to drive down my National Morale below 100, so the Left/SR would no longer sap my victory points via scripted events

Interesting! But raising money costs 15 VP for the Reds, no?
Or maybe with LeftSR and ANA allied, the RaiseMoney should raise far less but with lesser NM loss too? (I guess SR were less fond of stealing people even for war, and anarchists 'throw money to the wind') Maybe from -5EP -2NM -15VP +300RUB 75% to -5EP -1NM -10VP +100RUB 50% (poor alliance, from +225RUB -1.5NM -11.5VP to +50RUB -0.5NM -10VP per turn..) Or it costs more VP?
Or maybe the VP loss from SR internationalist politics is to be removed??
andatiep wise needed here.

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Comrade ERISS, you are correct. By using the 'Raise Money' decision I was losing 15 VPs to save 7 VPs! Not very smart. It pays to read the decision tool tips closely!

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June 1921


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July 1921


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Ripster8 wrote:By using the 'Raise Money' decision I was losing 15 VPs to save 7 VPs! It pays to read the decision tool tips closely!

So, maybe all the costs in the game should be presented in a reverse fashion? like: VP / NM / WSU / RUB / EP

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August 1921


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September 1921


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And this really fries my bacon, amigos!
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So basically the game is telling me that there is no way to win on victory points as the Reds. You must capture 20 objective cities. Grrr! OK, fine. I'm a Big Red and I won't cry...

In any case the Whites have pretty much collapsed. The Poles have scattered since the fall of Warsaw. Several of their corps are in the Pripet Marshes - I have no idea how they are staying supplied; guess the swamp rats really are delicious! There is a White/Cossack/Baltic corps in Liepaja, supplied by sea, I suppose, but from where are they getting supplies? In any case they are still fighting. The only thing holding me back in the Ukraine is the magic hand of Uncle Joe who regularly immobilizes all four of my corps in that area - I am so looking forward to shooting that b*stard when this is all over! The Kuban is liberated. Out east the Whites strongly counterattacked at Perm and Samara but were repulsed. I moved Kork's Corps east and am beginning attack towards Ufa and Ekaterinburg. Almost there, so let's press on and put this baby to bed!

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January 1922 - THE WAR IS OVER!

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Basically it says if you won under a 'Bolshevik Dictatorship' that's a bad thing, but if you won as the 'Bolshevik-Left/SR Alliance' that's a good thing. So I guess all that Left/SR whining was worth something after all!


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January 1922, The Fronts

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Should read 'Scattered BUT hard to pin down.'


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A special mention goes to KOMDIV Safonov:
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Kuban: Liberated with a few partisans about and some White forces drifting down from the northeast. But they are poorly supplied and I left two strong corps in the area to clean up.

Along the Volga: I took Perm and Samara but the Whites moved strong forces to oppose me. They tried to recapture Perm but KOMCOR Berzin stood firm. Any additional advance by the Reds will require more forces and the arrival of better weather.
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Some Thoughts on this Alternate Reality, January 1922: Russia

The Kinder, Gentler Red Movement (KGRM) encompassing a wide spectrum of leftist political views including communism, socialism, anarchist and green elements has managed to stay together in a functioning ruling coalition throughout the long and difficult war to protect the revolution. With four of its five enemies defeated (The southern Whites, the Ukrainian separatists, the Baltic states, and the Poles are largely beaten. The Eastern Whites still remain a threat.) the KGRM can now look to the future with hope and with confidence.

Internally the people of Russia are now experiencing an economic and social revival such has not been seen in the country since the defeat of the Golden Horde in the 15th century. Land reform, the abolishment of all ranks of nobility, ownership of all factories, mines, newspapers, and other large businesses given to the actual workers of those facilities (not to the state), reform of all police, courts, and prisons, readjustment of the Russian Orthodox Church's position to allow freedom of all religions including 'none of the above' and to reduce church holdings to a level necessary to support its institutions, improvements in schools, hospitals and social assistance institutions: these are but a few of the many reforms that the KGRM brought to Mother Russia. And since the country had not been wounded by repression, requisitions and 'Red Terror' the transition to new forms of social and economic life were made with a minimum of dislocation and tumult. All worked for all, and disruptive elements were escorted to the countries borders, alive and bearing what they needed to make a new life elsewhere.

A unique strength of the KGRM was the toleration and integration of the different forms of left political theory into individual organized groups within the borders of the collective whole. For example, the Ukrainian Anarchists who fought so bravely for the revolution were left completely in charge of the Donbas region (or 'not in charge' as the anarchists liked to think of it). They had complete latitude to organize themselves as they saw fit within that region as long they upheld the basic rights of citizens within that area. Those who chose not to live under the anarchists were free to leave, but all those remaining in the region followed the laws the anarchists passed (not that there were many). The greens were strong in areas north and east of Moscow and practised collective farming, self-sufficiency and a clan-village based organization. The Left/SR were strong in and around Moscow and areas south and east of the city. They were more internationalist in perspective and excelled in industry, finance, and trade. The Bolsheviks dominated in and around Petrograd and into the Baltic region, along with large areas of the Ukraine. They liked things a little more regimented, centralized and coordinated. They took the lead in the Red Army, the national police force, border guards, etc. The local soviets each voted to determine the exact 'flavor' of left political theory their area adopted, and all local governments were free to adjust things as they went along. The national government provided a framework for relations amongst the local soviets, adjudicated disputes between them, assisted in planning and implementing multi-jurisdicational contruction and transportation projects, dealt with foreign relations, trade and national defense, etc.

The national government was officially called The Union of Free Soviets (UFS) and by 1924 the country had returned to pre-WWI levels of production by 1924, and levels of literacy, life expectancy and infant mortality all improved dramatically. The success of the UFS was a beacon to oppressed peoples all over the world.

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Ripster8 wrote:So basically the game is telling me that there is no way to win on victory points as the Reds. You must capture 20 objective cities. Grrr!
In any case the Whites have pretty much collapsed.

Ripster8 wrote:January 1922 - THE WAR IS OVER!
Victory!

Ripster8 wrote:January 1922, The Fronts
I took Perma and Samara but the Whites moves strong forces to oppose me. Any additional advance by the Reds will require more forces

Bravo, tovarishch! but you miss 422 VP, it is however a very honorable defeat! It's very difficult to win at the 1st try for the campaign.
As I always says, texts are to be enhanced, the victory screen is false: The game engine can't compare cumulative VPs, it should be written that we have to refer to the victory conditions on F10 screen.
About SR loss of VPs, it should be WAD that's cumulative for the morale, but you may be right that's too harsh. Or you should have read better and try to not take important towns if you can't swiftly follow on the takes.
I think as you thought you were winning in the begining, you may were slow. So you were late to actually crush the whites: you mainly lost for you didn't crush Eastern whites in time.
I'm sure you have learn much here, and for a next game you will lose for very few points, then 3rd time should be the good :D
Andatiep should tell better :sherlock: , but I don't think he will contradict :papy:

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Ripster8 wrote:Some Thoughts on this Alternate Reality, January 1922: Russia
The Kinder, Gentler Red Movement (KGRM) With four of its five enemies defeated can now look to the future with hope and with confidence.
The success of the UFS (Union of Free Soviets) was a beacon to oppressed peoples all over the world.

But on the five ennemies, not all are of equal importance, you missed the Eastern Whites, so:
however, the success of the UFS was not enough a beacon to oppressed peoples all over the world, as capitalists could lessen its light with the example of the Koltchak government that they continue to support, telling the russian straight workers do not agree the unruly savages with their soviets.
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Some Thoughts on this Alternate Reality Part 2: Foreign Affairs

In the spring of 1922 UFS forces launched three major offensives. First, the remants of White forces in the Baltics were destroyed or pushed into East Prussia. The remaining Polish forces were destroyed in and around Krakow and the entire country was placed under local soviet control with UFS guidance and assistance. Finally, UFS forces crossed over the Volga River at Perm and Saratov and drove eastwards, capturing Ekaterinburg, Ufa and ending the campaign season with the capture of Omsk. The fall of Omsk triggered the collapse of the Kolchak regime and the far eastern provinces fell into anarchy. Japanese forces occupied the Trans-Siberian railway and adjoining cities from Vladivostock to Khabarovsk, and the remaining areas organized themselves under various local warlords and bandit leaders. It would be another three years before the UFS was able to reestablish control of former Russian territories from Omsk to Khabarovsk, which was followed by the 1930 war with Japan, but that conflict is beyond the scope of this history.

In the west the UFS sought peaceful relations with its neighbors especially, Finland, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkey. Relations were less cordial with Romania, Czechoslavakia and Germany, however. All three countries had been alarmed by the defeat and dismantling of the reactionary Polish regime, but none of them were capable of combatting the UFS on their own. France, the UK and Italy were exhausted by The Great War, and the United States had turned inward after victory in 1918, rejecting the League of Nations and retreating from the world political stage. Additionally, strong KGRM elements existed in the west, particularly in Germany even after the defeat of the Spartacists in 1919. The corruption and incompetence of the Weimar regime coupled with the increasing peace and prosperity of the UFS put further pressure on an already fractured German society. The Great Depression of 1929 proved the catalyst for the Hamburg Revolution of 1930 which saw bitter fighting between German KGRM elements and reactionary Freikorps troops backed by the French, and the Czechs. The Reds in Germany asked for UFS assistance and the victorious Red Army was happy to oblige! All of Germany east of the Rhine was quickly occupied and turned over to the new Coalition of German Soviets (CGS). France annexed the rest of German territory west of the Rhine and a peace treaty was signed in 1931 ending the struggle, at least for the time being. On a side note, a right-wing agitator by the name of Adolph Hitler was killed in Munich while fighting against the Reds in October of 1930.

In reaction to the KGRM threat, France moved towards authoritarianism, forming an alliance with Belgium, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Yugoslavia. When Spain erupted into civil war in 1936, French troops were quick to intervene and ensured a speedy victory by the reactionary forces of Francisco Franco before the end of the year, before any KGRM assistance could reach the Republican forces. During all this time the Italian dictator Mussolini couldn't quite decide which side to take, right or left, so he contented himself with attacking helpless African countries that no one else seemed to care about.

All of this set the stage for the Second Great War which began in 1938 but alas, that, too is beyond the scope of this brief history.
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Ripster8 wrote:Finally, UFS forces crossed over the Volga River at Perm and Saratov and drove eastwards, capturing Ekaterinburg, Ufa and ending the campaign season with the capture of Omsk. The fall of Omsk triggered the collapse of the Kolchak regime and the far eastern provinces fell into anarchy.

An hint of what to be done sooner for next game :)

All of Germany east of the Rhine was quickly occupied and turned over to the new Coalition of German Soviets (CGS). France annexed the rest of German territory west of the Rhine and a peace treaty was signed in 1931 ending the struggle, at least for the time being.

Even to the west of the Mosel/Moselle! The german revolution had actually started to spread in north-west of France! (what nowaday France wants to omit)

In reaction to the KGRM threat, France moved towards authoritarianism, forming an alliance with Belgium, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Yugoslavia. When Spain erupted into civil war in 1936, French troops were quick to intervene and ensured a speedy victory by the reactionary forces of Francisco Franco before the end of the year,

Sure UK would join too against Durruti and Grandizo Munis (the spain actual republicans would mainly join Franco against the revolution).

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Some Thoughts on this Alternate Reality, Part 3: Dramatis Personae


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Vladimir Lenin: Comrade Lenin, having led the revolution without terror, repression or requistion and while seeking an inclusive left movement, enjoyed good health and was an active part of the UFS government, serving as the first President of the UFS from 1924 until his retirement in 1930. He retired to a small estate outside of his hometown of Simbirsk to write his memoirs, passing away quietly in his sleep on January 21, 1934. He was mourned throughout the world wherever the KGRM flourished and was buried in a simple grave near his home . This epitaph was written on his grave stone: "The only monument I seek is in the hearts of those who love justice, equality and the exaltation of mankind, a mankind freed from the shackles of oppression, exploitation and fear." There is not a day that goes by that his grave is not visited by those who honor his memory, and his headstone is always surrounded by bouquets of flowers, summer and winter.

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Leon Trotsky: Commissar Trotsky served as the head of the Red Army and later Army of the UFS until the successful liberation of Germany in 1930. Having improved his political skills under the tutelage of Lenin, he served as the second President of the UFS from 1930 until 1938. When the Second Great War began he asked to leave the Presidency to resume his old post as leader of the Army of the UFS, and the Congress of Soviets graciously accepted. During the dark initial days of the war Trotsky never left his offices in the Kremlin, bringing the same old organizational and leadership skills to this new conflict as he had to the struggle to save the revolution in 1918. Unfortunately his constitution had been worn down by years of ceaseless toil and his secretary found him slumped over his desk dead of an apparent heart attack on the morning of August 20, 1938. He was buried with full military honors on the Kremlin grounds in view of the office in which he spent so many days of his life in the service of the KGRM. An eternal flame is lit beside Trotsky's grave and a guard of honor is posted to show the esteem that the Great Commissar is held in by the peoples of the KGRM.


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Mikhail Tukachevsky: KOMCOR Tukhachevsky completed the defeat of the reactionary Polish regime in 1922, and was then placed in overall command of the eastern front 1923-25. He was then recalled to Moscow to serve as chief-of-staff for Commissar Trotsky at the RMCGHQ. He became head of the RMCGHQ in 1930, serving in that position until the Second Great War in 1938, when Trotsky placed him in charge of the shattered UFS armies in Germany. Tukhachevsky successfully rallied Red forces in Germany and held the reactionary aggressors off until reinforcements arrived from Siberia. He returned to RMCGHQ once the western front was stabilized to take over from the fallen Trotsky, and provided clear guidance and decisive decisions for all UFS and allied forces until the successful conclusion of the Second Great War. After the war Tukhachevsky had a second career as a diplomat, working to forge peaceful relations with former enemy nations. He was instrumental in the founding of the World Congress of Soviets at Geneva in 1947, which became the leading organization for fostering world peace and cooperation among nations. Tukhachevsky died in a plane crash on his way back to Moscow for the 50th annual 'Reunion of Comrades' in 1968. Red Square was a sea of red banners and flowers on the day of Tukhachevsky's funeral. His old comrades remembered 'The Mighty Tuk' with tears in their old eyes, and they were joined in mourning by a grateful people and by delegates from all KGRM nations.


Josef Stalin: (No picture available) After his betrayal of the KGRM the traitor Stalin fled Russia and after a long an arduous trek through Central Asia, India and across the Pacific Ocean disguised as a merchant seaman, he made his way to Mexico. He then worked on a coastal steamer on the Pacific coast of Mexico for several years and developed some level of proficiency with the Spanish language. Eventually he heard stories of communist guerillas and bandits operating in the Sierra Madre mountains in the central part of the country and he set off to make himself their leader. After some initial success against the disorganized Federales and Mexican Army, Stalin (now known by his bandit title of 'El Ruso') was killed while trying to rob a bank in Durango, Mexico on March 5, 1927. He place of burial is not recorded.
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Re: Not god, nor tsar, nor hero...

Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:07 am

Comrade ERISS, thank you for your continued patronage of this AAR, and for your many comments. As to whether I achieved victory or not, in simple terms I did not achieve the conditions required by the game by January of 1922. I was surprised to see the victory screen telling me I had won on points, but I will take some comfort in it even if it is technically incorrect.

In defense of my overall performance I quote from the Wikipedia article on the Russian Civil War: "The Red Army defeated the White Armed Forces of South Russia in Ukraine and the army led by Admiral Aleksandr Kolchak in Siberia in 1919. The remains of the White forces commanded by Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel were beaten in Crimea and evacuated in late 1920. Lesser battles of the war continued on the periphery for two more years, and minor skirmishes with the remnants of the White forces in the Far East continued well into 1923. Armed national resistance in Central Asia was not completely crushed until 1934." If these statements are accurate it seems to suggest that not even the actual Bolsheviks won the civil war by the '20 Objective Cities Captured' by January 1922 criteria! But perhaps because the Bolsheviks had indeed defeated the bulk of the White forces by the end of 1920, the victory point total was not so heavily against them. And, of course, they did not have the Left/SR people constantly complaining and draining victory points away either! That's because the Left/SR folks were all dead or in prison...

In any event, I thoroughly enjoyed the game and will have more to say on RUS itself tomorrow. It's late and I am off to bed to dream of a brighter future for all mankind...

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Re: Not god, nor tsar, nor hero...

Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:18 am

Ripster8 wrote:by January of 1922. I was surprised to see the victory screen

The game can't go too far in time about victory (but it's intersting to however continue the game), for the what-if are so important that historical-wise it becomes more and more wrong or anything.

not even the actual Bolsheviks won the civil war by the '20 Objective Cities Captured' by January 1922 criteria! But perhaps because the Bolsheviks had indeed defeated the bulk of the White forces by the end of 1920, the victory point total was not so heavily against them.
And, of course, they did not have the Left/SR people constantly complaining and draining victory points away either!

Sure! Bolsheviks 'won' for they had less ambitious objectives. You choose the more difficult path. The meaning of victory is dependant of its courtier.

In any event, I thoroughly enjoyed the game. I am off to dream of a brighter future for all mankind...

Comrade Ripster, it was one of the more fun AAR that I have read, thank you!
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Re: Not god, nor tsar, nor hero...

Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:22 am

Thank you Ripster for this excellent AAR and for continuing it till the end despite the problems with the forum change.


Regarding the disappointing Poles I have a little doubt, did you start the war with them or were they by event? If it was your decision why not the other far fronts, Finland, Caucasus,...


Well, until the end and more, this alternate history of yours is quite interesting :) Zamoyski was right after all with the title of his book Warsaw 1920: Lenin's Failed Conquest of Europe. Though probably some of the circumstances you comment would be rather improbable IMO, like

- Communists, socialists, anarchists,... living happily together.

- Or French and Czechs helping the Freikorps!


And the alternate WWII then would be the Extreme right French and allies vs Russo-german red horde. But no Britain or USA to save all of us?, the World Congress of Soviets does not sound very good. Good end for Stalin "El Ruso" :mdr:


I would like that andatiep, Eriss,... (if the rest of RUS Gold team is still there) have the time and interest to fix the problems you have detected in your gameplay.


And now after some needed time to rest, and if you accepts petitions I would like to follow an AAR of you of TEAW, playing with the Central Powers. :pouet:

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