OneArmedMexican wrote:I am currently reading Figes "A People's Tragedy" again. While it usually is rather weak on the military side of the Civil War, I stumbled upon some interesting information:
1) The SR rebels in Moscow which arrive early in the Grand campaign: Current OOB: Popov + 1 element of Militia (Moscow Anarchists) + 1 element of volunteers (Moscow Rebels).
According to Figes (p. 634): the SR rebels actually outnumbered the Bolshevic garrision in the city: they had the 2.000 well-armed and trained men of the Cheka Combat Detachment at their disposal (strangely enough that Cheka detachment was formed exclusively of Left SR members). At the same time the Bolshevics had only 700 men to defend Moscow. The bulk of the Latvian Rifles (the only loyal defensive force available) had left for the outskirts of Moscow.
In game terms that means: The Moscow SR rebels should be regular infantry, if not elite. At the same time the garrision of Moscow is much bigger than it historically was.
2) Siberian Commanders: are way to good in this game. I can understand that the Southern White had some first rate commanders but with few exceptions that wasn't the case with the Siberians (many of them were young and/or lacked front experience).
Take for example Popov: the man had Moscow in his hands but instead of taking the Kremlin, the SR leader waited idly until his chance had passed. In other words, he lacked aggression and initiative. In game terms one would expect a 2-0-0 general not a 4-1-1 one.
It might be worth considering reducing Siberian commanders statistics across the board: make the average general 3-1-1, 3-0-0 or even 2-0-0.
3) Allied war supplies: I found some numbers (Figes, p. 652): in the first six month of 1919, the Kolchak regime received 1 million rifles, 15.000 machine guns, 700 field guns, ...
In game terms: Perhaps the Siberians should receive some artillery units for free in addition to the tanks and supply trains they currently receive?
I know that some of this goes against my own words stating that the Siberians are overpowered. But that issue has been adressed in the latest patch (perhaps in a slightly crude manner, but effective nevertheless).
Athens wrote:1) could create strange situation where Moscow would be in WH3 hands. Opens a can of worms of alternate histories; WH3 faction and left SR aren't synonymous so the situation would be in itself a very strange distorsion. Then gamplay wise, it would maybe for a Red player to understand why he should immediatly lose Moscow....
Athens wrote:3) don't forget these figures are those send. But how much vanished in Semenov hands and more genrally betwwen Valdivostock and the Urals? Then, even when stocked in omsk, a large part was affected by rampant corruption, a part being even sold to Reds....
OneArmedMexican wrote:It would be WH2 troops, not WH3. But I agree, Moscow shouldn't fall into Komuch hands. Which it won't since the Red player still has the Latvians to defend the city. The game doens't distinguish between the city and its outskirts.
Very true. I just wanted to point out that a different composition of the units received as allied supplies might be more realistic (less tanks, but a few artillery units instead?)
OneArmedMexican wrote:It would be WH2 troops, not WH3. But I agree, Moscow shouldn't fall into Komuch hands.
ERISS wrote:Left-SR is the SR minority who can't be White, Right-SR are the main SR who decided they couldn't be Red (those build the Komuch).
So, this Left-SR uprising in RUS should be ANA, as many anarchists joined the Cheka (and left it after some months) and these anarchists could have join the Left-SR uprising against bolsheviks, and afterward many Left-SR joined (or even became) anarchists and makhnovists (Left-SR must have split half-ANA half-GRE).
ERISS wrote:Green ok, but at least for ANA is now sadly a total subfaction of RED.
AGE shows its adaptative limit with the complexity of RCW.
andatiep wrote:The left-SR didn't planed to start a war against the bolcheviks. They planed this action like a (probably stupid) limited political coup to force the majority of the Bolcheviks to declare war against Germany.
ERISS wrote:We can say too that Paris communards were idiots, as they refuse the Versailles peace and were killed by French army (and not German army) ??
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