Help : Yudenich OOB

[Seb]

Hello,

to improve RUS, we need the help of anybody that could provide us a precise Yudenich Army OOB (at least a better than the one we already have) and location for his 1919 offensive on Petrograd

Any volunteer ?

[Krot]

I'll make a try. It may take me a pair of days to compare the data in different sources I can find.

[Seb]

I'll make a try. It may take me a pair of days to compare the data in different sources I can find.

Thanks, we'll be waiting for your datas

[Krot]

Hi. I have decided to post the first part of OOB here just to show you that I am working hard.

See attached the graphic scheme of the October offensive which shows the initial deployment of the troops. Its inscriptions are in Estonian language but I hope it’s better than Cyrillic letters. White Russians are drawn purple, Estonians – blue. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Skeem_nr_24.jpg

Please note the rail link between Pskov and Narva which goes along the Peipus shore via Gdov region. This rail which is vital for military operations in the region is missing in RUS.

I’ll try to finish the job as soon as I can.

NORTHWEST ARMY

At the beginning of October 1919, Army consisted of two Army Corps, five infantry divisions, 1 brigade and a number of separate regiments and other units (total 26 infantry regiments, 2 cavalry regiments, 2 separate battalions (one of which volunteer officer) and 1 detachment. Regiments of divisions and brigades numbered between 200 and 1 000 bayonets each.
Each Division also included a separate light artillery battalion, engineer company, dressing unit, and replacement battalion, as well as other units. Outside divisions existed horse Jäger Regiment, shock battalion of Shuvalov, armored trains, battalion of tanks, 1st automobile company, 1st auto armored battery, Swedish Baltic Legion, 1st and 2nd replacement regiments, 1st and 2nd replacement artillery battalions.
Total 56600 men, of them 20700 active fighters
57 artillery pieces, 4 armored trains, 6 tanks, 2 armored cars, 6 planes, 500 machine guns.

Army OOB 4 October 1919

Staff
552 men
The commander-in-chief of Northwest front (June1919) General of infantry N.N. Yudenitch took personal command of the Army from general Rodzyanko 2 Oct 1919 just before the offensive.
Deputy commander of the Army: Lieutenant general (1919) A.P. Rodzyanko,
Head of staff: major-general A.E. Vandam (from 7 Oct. 1919)

1st separate division
Formed in June 1919.
1. head: Lt. Gen. A.F. Dzerozhinskiy
2. head of staff: Colonel M.E. Lotov
1st Infantry Georgievskiy (St. George) regiment
October 1919 – 1000 men
Commander: Colonel (1.09.1919) L.I. Mikosha.

2nd Revel infantry regiment

October 1919 – 700 men

3rd Kolyvan Infantry Regiment
October 1919 – 650 men
Commander: Colonel (1.09.1919) K.G. Badendik.

4th Gdov Infantry Regiment
October 1919 – 900 men

6th separate light artillery battalion

2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces

Commander: Colonel K.K. Smirnov

Separate frontier battalion
Commander: Colonel C. M. Rymkevitch

1st marching (replacement) battalion
Commander: Colonel N.V. Rossinskiy
engineer company
disinfection unit, dressing unit


I rifle Army Corps

2nd Infantry (rifle) Division
Chief: Lieutenant general Yaroslavtsev (17.10.1919) Major General (17.10.1919) B.S. Permikin (from 17.10.1919)

5th Velikiy Ostrov Regiment
500 men

6th Talabsk Regiment
October 1919 1000 men
Commanders: Colonel (1919), B. Permikin, Colonel N.N. von Goertz (from 17.10.1919)

7th Ural Regiment,
October 1919 450 men.
Commander: Colonel V.A. Trusov (09-12.1919)

8th Semenovskiy Regiment
October 1919 500 men
Commander: Colonel Likudi (from July 1919)

8th (replacement) battalion
Commander: Captain K.L. Ertman

2th separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces

3rd Infantry Division

Chief: Major-General (24.07.1919) D.R. Vetrenko
Head of staff: Lt. Col. Kusakov

9th Volyn Regiment
Contradictory sources give 200 or 1200 bayonets
Commander: Colonel I.P. Khomyakov (Jun 1919)

10th Temnitskiy grenadier Regiment (former partisan detachment of Lieutenant Danilov)
300 men
Commander: Colonel (12.10.1919) A.D. Danilov

11th Vyatka infantry regiment
250 or 300 men
Commander: Colonel E.E. Bushman

12th Krasnogorskiy regiment
450 men

Gatchina Jäger battalion
Commander: Colonel D.I. Khodnev

3th separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces

5th Infantry Division

Acting chief Colonel (11.1919) C.I. Dydorov
Head of staff: Lt.-Col. W.H. Birih (May 1919).

17th Libava Regiment
October 1919 – 450 men
Commander: Major General (1917) Baron F.V. Raden 21.10.1919 killed in bayonet attack near Krasnoe Selo. Colonel (19.12.1919) V.H. Birih.

18th Riga Regiment
450 men
Colonel F.E. Yeremeyev (08.1919)

19th Poltava Regiment
350 men

20th Chudksoy regiment
300 men
Commander: Colonel (12.11.1919) A.Y. Smolin.

Rifle (replacement) battalion

5th separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 6 light artillery pieces or 4 heavy (howitzers) and 5 light pieces in two batteries

Armored cars detachment
2 armored cars

Engineer company

Machine gun company

Commandant platoon

[RICCO7859]

i suggest you to purchase this excellent wargame (In english) appeared in battlemagazine (December 2010) about this offensive:

http://www.battlesmagazine.com/eshop/achat/produit_details.php?id=20.

By this way you could contact the creators. May be they can provide you the OOB that they used.

[RICCO7859]

Tu peux aussi contacter les spécialistes de cette époque sur le site de strategikon (Et du meme coup les auteurs de white october) bien connu dans le monde du wargame:

http://www.strategikon.info

[Seb]

Hi. I have decided to post the first part of OOB here just to show you that I am working hard.

Thanks a lot
I will put it in the next patch as soon as you've finished the second part

[Krot]

Voila. This is the final version of OOB. I hope it will be helpful.

NORTHWEST ARMY

Army OOB 4 October 1919

Staff
552 men
The commander-in-chief of Northwest front (June1919) General of infantry N.N. Yudenitch took personal command of the Army from general Rodzyanko 2 Oct 1919 just before the offensive.
Deputy commander of the Army: Lieutenant general (1919) A.P. Rodzyanko,
Head of staff: major-general A.E. Vandam (from 7 Oct. 1919)

Army units

Aviation detachment
6 combat-ready airplanes RAF R.E.8

Shock tank battalion (separate tank battalion)
6 tanks: 4 heavy Mark V and 2 light Renault FT 17 (MG variant)
Support infantry 350 bayonets
Commander: colonel Khomutov

Armored trains
Four light armored trains (improvised armor protection, field cannons and MGs)
Pskovite
Talabian
Admiral Essen
Admiral Kolchak (its namesake, heavy armored train armed with naval artillery operated in the Northern front and was captured by the Reds 19.02.1920 near Kholmogorskaya station)

Separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces

Marine detachment
180 bayonets

Shock battalion of Shuvalov
December 1919 6 officers
Commander: rittmeister earl P.S. Shuvalov killed in August 1919 near Krasnoe Selo

Swedish Baltic battalion (White Legion)
December 1919 28 officers
Commander: major L. Hanning

1st Reserve regiment
850 bayonets

2nd Reserve regiment
900 bayonets

1st separate division
1. head: Lt. Gen. A.F. Dzerozhinskiy
2. head of staff: Colonel M.E. Lotov

1st Infantry Georgievskiy regiment
October 1919 – 1000 bayonets
Commander: Colonel (1.09.1919) L.I. Mikosha.

2nd Revel infantry regiment
October 1919 – 700 bayonets

3rd Kolyvan Infantry Regiment
October 1919 – 650 bayonets
Commander: Colonel (1.09.1919) K.G. Badendik.

4th Gdov Infantry Regiment
October 1919 – 900 bayonets
Commander: Colonel V.N. Minich

Separate frontier battalion
December 1919 18 officers
Commander: Colonel C. M. Rymkevitch

1st marching (replacement) battalion
Commander: Colonel N.V. Rossinskiy

1st separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces.
Commander: Colonel K.K. Smirnov

Engineer company

Disinfection unit

Dressing unit

I rifle Army Corps

Commander: A.P. von der Pahlen, Major General (30.05.1919). Lieutenant General (12.10.1919)

Horse Jäger Regiment (former cavalry detachment of Colonel Bibikov)
500 sabers
Commanders: Col. G.F. von Grünwald (05.-8.10.1919), Colonel A.A. Benkendorf (8.10.1919)

Baltic Regiment
October 1919 400 bayonets, 100 sabers, 2 artillery pieces.
Commander: colonel. K.A. von Weiss


2nd Infantry (rifle) Division
Chiefs: Lieutenant general Yaroslavtsev (till 17.10.1919)
Major General (17.10.1919) B.S. Permikin (from 17.10.1919)
Head of staff: Colonel A.A. Prokopovitch

5th Velikiy Ostrov Regiment
500 bayonets

6th Talabsk Regiment
October 1919 1000 bayonets
Commanders: Colonel (1919), B. Permikin, Colonel N.N. von Goertz (from 17.10.1919)

7th Ural Regiment,
October 1919 450 bayonets.
Commander: Colonel V.A. Trusov (09-12.1919)

8th Semenovskiy Regiment
October 1919 500 bayonets
Commander: Colonel Likudi (from July 1919)

Reserve battalion
Commander: Lt-Col Pokrovskiy

2th separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces
Commander: Lt Col V.A. Makarov

Engineer company

Dressing unit

3rd Infantry Division
Chief: Major-General (24.07.1919) D.R. Vetrenko
Head of staff: Lt. Col. Kusakov

9th Volyn Regiment
200 bayonets
Commander: Colonel I.P. Khomyakov (Jun 1919)

10th Temnitskiy grenadier Regiment (former partisan detachment of Lieutenant Danilov)
300 bayonets
Commander: Colonel (12.10.1919) A.D. Danilov

11th Vyatka infantry regiment
250 or 300 bayonets
Commander: Colonel E.E. Bushman

12th Krasnogorskiy regiment
450 bayonets
Commander: Lieutenant Neklyudov

Gatchina Jäger battalion
Commander: Colonel D.I. Khodnev

3th separate light artillery battalion
2 heavy and 4 light artillery pieces
Commander: Colonel A.A. Vinokurov

Engineer company

5th Infantry Division

Acting chief: Colonel (11.1919) C.I. Dydorov
Head of staff: Lt.-Col. W.H. Birih (May 1919).

17th Libava Regiment
October 1919 – 450 bayonets
Commanders: Major General (1917), Baron F.V. Raden 21.10.1919 killed in bayonet attack near Krasnoe Selo, Colonel (19.12.1919) V.H. Birih (from 15.10.1919).

18th Riga Regiment
450 bayonets
Colonel F.E. Yeremeyev (08.1919)

19th Poltava Regiment
350 bayonets

20th Chudksoy regiment
300 bayonets
Commander: Colonel (12.11.1919) A.Y. Smolin.

Rifle battalion

4 heavy (howitzers) and 5 light artillery pieces in two batteries

Armored cars detachment
2 armored cars
Engineer company

Machine gun company

Reserve company

II Army Corps
Commander: Lieutenant General (1917) E.K. Arseniev

Horse Regiment of Bulak-Bulakhovitch
October 1919 500 bayonets and 100 sabers
Commander: Lt.-Col. I.N. Bulak-Bulakhovitch

4th Infantry Division
Commander: Lieutenant-General Prince A.N. Dolgorukov (16.09.-11.1919)
head of staff: Colonel Lipskiy (August 1919).

13th Narva Regiment
October 1919 800 bayonets
Commander: Colonel (07.1919) V. Grigoriev

14th Lithuanian Regiment
October 1919 350 bayonets.
Commander: Captain M. Vasiliev.

15th Voznesenskiy Regiment.
October 1919 750 bayonets

16th Velikiy Ostrov Regiment
October 1919 – 1000 bayonets.
Commander: Lieutenant-Colonel Vladimir Parutskiy.

Shock battalion
Commander: Captain T.I. Zhgun

Reserve battalion
Commander: stab-rittmeister Granberg

4th separate light artillery battalion
Commander: Colonel Artyukhov

2th separate howitzer artillery battalion

Total: 4 heavy and 5 light artillery pieces in both artillery battalions of the division

Engineer company

Dressing unit

Separate Brigade (part of II Corps)

Chief: Major-General (20.06.1919) C. A. Ezhevskiy (4.11.1919)

21st Pskov Regiment
October 1919 800 bayonets.
Commander: Colonel Lebedev (10.-11.1919)

22nd Denikin Regiment
October 1919 – 800 bayonets.

24th Pechery Regiment
October 1919 – 600 bayonets.

Kachanovskiy battalion
October 1919 – 180 bayonets

4 light and 5 obsolete (piston bolt) artillery pieces

[Seb]

Great !

[Krot]

Hi Seb.

I should add that the model used in RUS for NW infantry units icon (the one in German uniform and helmet) is fully applicable only to NW units equipped by the Germans (5th division and Baltic regiment).

Others wore Russian and British uniforms (by October 1919 British deliveries were distributed mostly among staff, special and rear units of the Army) or mixed variants of Russian, German and even French uniforms. See attached pictures.

So I'd suggest to use some of existing generic White infantry models for the majority of NW infantry regiments.

Krot aka Sergey

[Krot]

I have to correct erroneous data about NW aviation which I posted previously.

According to excellent research of M. Khayrullin and V. Kondratiev "Voenlety pogybshey imperii. Aviatzia v grazhdanskoy voine" ("Airmen of perished Empire. Aviation in Civil War") by October 1919 NW Army aviation detachment included 6 combat-ready multipurpose two-seat RAF R.E.8 airplanes delivered by British. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aircraft_Factory_R.E.8These planes took part in the offensive bombing and strafing red troops.

In addition there were some planes of different types in bad technical condition evacuated by 5th (Lieven) division from Latvia.

Good luck with upcoming patch.