ERISS wrote:
You're not wrong, as the power of family was very strong in peasant villages. The revolution was needing some "May 68" to remove this power.
"May 68" should have happened differently in many countries. But starting point was students I guess. Protesters can consist of small bourgeoise(depends) and better educated class who knows and wonders what happens in the world globally. That "68 soul" shouldnt be necessarly favouring revolution. I guess it is more about "freedom". and ending wars.
Irony is in some countries some protesters were convinced that in order to achieve "Freedom" Marxist-Leninist government is necessary.(protesters wanted strong leader and party)
Soviets(especially peasants) in the beginning of the century should have different opinion about freedom from students only wants "freedom".
they wanted more of a "status quo", only wanted farming the land freely until bolsheviks seize the land as you said.
andatiep wrote:
But i hardly wait the game, its events and political choices the players have, and to read some more books to debate more precizely how it is or it would be good to simulate it in the game.
I don't know about the result of AGEOD staff researches on some points, like the detailed army forces.
We should know some results of the researches I think. Because it can be hard to change the database or some events after it is released. At least players who have more knowledge about military aspects can compare or influence the research. But I dont know when the game start developing.
andatiep wrote:
And finally, there is the third political force, whatever you call it capitalists, liberals, ruling tradional industrial/aristocratic classes, which failed to understand that they better had to choose to really let the social-democrats working inside the system if they wanted to keep it, better than trying to control the fascists like they believed they could, like they believed Mussolini was in Italia. But Hitler transformed the german fascism into nazism, and it happen thanks to the direct support of the "traditional capitalist" ruling classes, not because of the communists...
Finally, i think this is a bad short cut to say that communism is risponsible for the fascism and the nazism.
Agree with that,common mistake ruling classes make, excluding some extreme groups. When they do that those groups will be the first revolters against the system..
I think capitalism is the first political force. Communism(apart from commune or some early collectivizm) and anarchism should be the "reaction"..
Fascism is the product of Aristocracy evolved in to bourgeoisie. So to control fascists are very easy for a capitalist . French(after napoleonic era) able to form millions of soldiers by the reference of nationalism and religion maybe. There wasnt communism(doctrine) at that time.(not very common)
As Marx said history is about class struggle, then extreme right should find the motivation from economical factors(wars,inflation) and smart moves of bourgeoisie(strong economical power) fooling people about bourgeoisie made nationalism..
As you said, in many countries they blame communists for fascism. This is a good reason(?) for extreme right to do everything they want with the support of bourgeoisie.
Hohenlohe wrote:After the WWI many people were simply so shocked about their war experiences that they tried to overthrow the old political systems by some kind of revolution. Remember simply the fact that after WWI there was some political change in the party system of Great Britain. More voting rights to the lower classes and the strengthening of the Labour Party. That time the Liberals and Conservatives lost much of their influence in Britain.
Well if they were shocked than they would be able to overthrow the old political system. The thing is those countries have strong aristocracy and bourgeoise even some have good labour movement. That means they were more industrilised. And that means before the WW1, Ruling classes in the west(Great Britain) were able to divide worker movement by paying different wage to workers.. Even some few workers became bourgeoise.
There is a definition called "Labor Aristocracy " by Marx...
By giving more voting rights or stronger Labour party should not be the reason of west(especially countries with more imperialistic tradition) for successfully preventing Communism.
Soviets should be less conservative(many ethnic groups and commune tradition in villages, and weak bourgeoise to influence fascists if any ) and more poor then west to bribe some workers. Not because they didnt learn the lesson well.
Hohenlohe wrote:Many former communists made a confession to true democracy here in Europe and try to be inside the political system. All this are the consequences of two World Wars and even the Russian Civil War.
I think we Europeans have learned our lessons...
Some former communists should have made peace with religion, true faith and true democracy... This is a good definition of "utopia", no need to search elsewhere..
I hope lessons about "true democracy" were practiced inside or outside the boundaries. As it looks more then lessons
more like some balance of power.
But hard to know what will be next..