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I recently watched The Admiral, it was a fairly good piece on the Civil War. The TV-series is much better I understand. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1101026/

Reds is also good but less focused on the battles obviously, still a real classic. Stellar cast with some of the best movie actors on the Planet. There is also one Polish movie about that war but I forgot the title.

Riley was an excellent British TV-series that captured the espionage section of this war very well and the general mood in the country.

Anything else?

Dr. Zhivago!! One of the best movies ever made.

"Bronyenosyets Potyomkin" about the warship Potyomkin, very good black and white film with no gray color tone . Mostly propaganda but very emotional film. Sailors taking control of the ship from enemies of people:thumbsup officers of monarchy)

"Hunt for red october" by Sean Connery as a very charismatic Russian captain. But that film has an Incredible music.

Generally Russians have very good music also before the revolution, composed with strong feelings and passion.

Not really a movie, but this song can easily be linked to the period (if you forget the reference to the "fascist pigs" at the end, and if you are not picky with the use of "Soviet Union" pre-1922 ). I also believe it is extremely powerful ! (and yes, it is part of a Soviet MUSICAL film - they existed).

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A whisper goes around the world:

Worker, don't you hear it?

these are the voices of war ministers:

Worker don't you hear them?

Coal and steel producers are whispering,

Chemical warfare production is whispering too,

The whispering comes from all continents:

Mobilization against the Soviet union!


Workers, peasants, Arm yourselves,

Arm yourselves with guns.

Annihilate the fascist bandit armies,

set all Hearts on Fire!

Plant your Red banners of Labor

On every ramp, on every factory.

Rising from the ruins

of the old society

The socialist World Republic!


Workers hear, they gather for battle,

And shout for nation and race.

This is a war of World leaders

Against the working class.

Because the assault against the Soviet Union

Is a strike in the heart of the Revolution.

And the War, which sweeps through countries now,

Is a war against you Proletarian-!


Workers, peasants, Arm yourselves,

Arm yourselves with guns.

Annihilate the fascist bandit armies,

set all Hearts on Fire!

Plant your Red banners of Labor

On every ramp, on every factory.

Rising from the ruins

of the old society

The socialist World Republic!

marcusjm wrote:I recently watched The Admiral, it was a fairly good piece on the Civil War. The TV-series is much better I understand. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1101026/

Reds is also good but less focused on the battles obviously, still a real classic. Stellar cast with some of the best movie actors on the Planet. There is also one Polish movie about that war but I forgot the title.

Riley was an excellent British TV-series that captured the espionage section of this war very well and the general mood in the country.

Anything else?

There is a list on the Jackson's Gamers website:

http://www.angelfire.com/games3/jacksongamer/redvideos.htm



Cat

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Here is part 1 of 11 of a dubbed version of Quiet Flows the Don

Don flows home to sea is more about the civil war though.

Baris wrote:"Bronyenosyets Potyomkin" about the warship Potyomkin, very good black and white film with no gray color tone . Mostly propaganda but very emotional film. Sailors taking control of the ship from enemies of people:thumbsup officers of monarchy)

"Hunt for red october" by Sean Connery as a very charismatic Russian captain. But that film has an Incredible music.

Generally Russians have very good music also before the revolution, composed with strong feelings and passion.

Here is Battleship Potemkin subtitled (Part 1 of 8)

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Hunt for Red October movie/book Sean Connery is Lithuanian not Russian

The Battleship Potemkin story takes place in 1905. Back when Russia had one of the most advanced navies in the world.

I read a good book on the mutiny and the 1905 revolution a couple of years ago: Bascomb, Neal. Red Mutiny: Eleven Fateful Days on the Battleship Potemkin. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2007.

TheDoctorKing wrote:The Battleship Potemkin story takes place in 1905. Back when Russia had one of the most advanced navies in the world.

I read a good book on the mutiny and the 1905 revolution a couple of years ago: Bascomb, Neal. Red Mutiny: Eleven Fateful Days on the Battleship Potemkin. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2007.

At the time of Potemkin mutiny most of our 'one of the most advanced navies in the world' was on bottom of Tshushima straight and Yellow Sea. Going into Japan war, we had large navy that was 'advanced' if the year was 1890. Sailors were badly trained and taken care for, paid poor, and ships were kept in poor repair. The stupidity of sending Baltic Fleet around the world straight into battle combined with being badly taken care of gave sailors impression government not care about them. Black Sea Fleet was only fleet not destroyed and sailors thought since it is apparent government cares not about us, they would be sent to Pacific to die. The treatment of navy is why sailors were such big part of revolutionary movement.

В wrote:At the time of Potemkin mutiny most of our 'one of the most advanced navies in the world' was on bottom of Tshushima straight and Yellow Sea. Going into Japan war, we had large navy that was 'advanced' if the year was 1890. Sailors were badly trained and taken care for, paid poor, and ships were kept in poor repair. The stupidity of sending Baltic Fleet around the world straight into battle combined with being badly taken care of gave sailors impression government not care about them. Black Sea Fleet was only fleet not destroyed and sailors thought since it is apparent government cares not about us, they would be sent to Pacific to die. The treatment of navy is why sailors were such big part of revolutionary movement.

Not to forget the cruiser, Aurora, which playing an important role in October 1917.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Aurora

Kev_uk wrote:Not to forget the cruiser, Aurora, which playing an important role in October 1917.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Aurora

The importance of Aurora in revolution is more propaganda than reality. The deeds were greatly exaggerated by propaganda ministers to create a symbol. The assault on Winter Palace was not resisted, there are films and paintings to recreate it with Bolsheviks storming in attacking Cossak defenders. In reality a small mob of revolutionaries broke in help entrance (not located on Plaace Square) then got lost in the building before finding last provisional government people left, then forced them to write arrest papers for themselves because most Bolsheviks were workers and could not read.

A few Aurora sailors came in front later and took provisional government people into coustidy. A far cry from the films and tales told in later years. But one of my best favorite Soviet songs was written because of it.

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And one of the worst post Soviet radio songs:

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The last song is pretty bad Is he a rock singer? ;-)

I have seen Eisensteins 'October' the 1927 film and that glorifies the revolution, after all it was made to commemorate the anniversary. What do you think about leaders such as Trotsky? He was hounded out of Russia for not supporting Stalin and the direction he was leading the country into. He was also later killed by a Stalinist agent in Mexico with an icepick in his head. What are you views?

Kev_uk wrote:The last song is pretty bad Is he a rock singer? ;-)

I have seen Eisensteins 'October' the 1927 film and that glorifies the revolution, after all it was made to commemorate the anniversary. What do you think about leaders such as Trotsky? He was hounded out of Russia for not supporting Stalin and the direction he was leading the country into. He was also later killed by a Stalinist agent in Mexico with an icepick in his head. What are you views?

He is a "artistic" musician. Weird guy that thinks he is more important than he is.

It is hard for me to have opinion on Bolsheviks. So much I learned was embellishment as child, then in the 90th there was complete reversal and only told bad things. Only in the last years has a true sense of them been available. I feel that while they did some bad things they at first were truly trying to help Russian people. But soon it became apparent they had no ability to put their plans into being, they were not educated or experienced in running government. Stalin knew this and knew sadly they only way for them to eventually make the country they wanted was to be tyrant.

This was only thing Russian (and others that were in Russian Empire) really knew, it was only way to build industrial sektors. A lot of people died and suffered, but because of this we we able to beat fascists and become one of the countries the world had to listen to when we spoke.

It is hard to judge these people. They did many horrible things, but did just as many good things that helped people live better lives, even today. Even some of the horrible things ended in being good for people in the end. It is a great paradox so it makes it hard to judge.

Though I understand why the Bolsheviks felt it must be done, I can never condone the murder of the tsar and family. It should tell you how wrong it was when Red Russians even refused to do it, Bulgarians had to be used. Not even Red Russian peasants would kill Romanov family.

Kev_uk wrote:What do you think about leaders such as Trotsky? He was hounded out of Russia for not supporting Stalin and the direction he was leading the country into. He was also later killed by a Stalinist agent in Mexico with an icepick in his head. What are you views?

Trotsky indirectly suicided: He died by the dictatorship he enforced. Many bolsheviks died in purges: one day they were the executioner, another day they were the executed.
Trotsky was aware about this: In 1905 he wrote that this communism would be the dictatorship of only one man (Bakunin wrote this 30 years before him).

В wrote:A lot of people died and suffered, but because of this we we able to beat fascists and become one of the countries the world had to listen to when we spoke.

Many countries took fascist ways to fight the fascism!:
Russia with bolsheviks (state capitalism), USA with usual capitalism (IWW fighting against fascism in USA), and many others.
They all enslave the people in factories to the profit of few.

, I can never condone the murder of the tsar and family.

Then you shouldn't condone the tsar for the murder of many people killed for nothing under its law. In some way he paid with the same justice ways he had.
Edit: You do as the bolshevik: You put the tsar and his family together. The family of the tsar is not responsible. The tsar was. I would have say nothing if you wroted "I can never condone the murder of the tsar's family. "

"Two wrongs don't make one right".

Let's not drift into political discussion in this thread and stay on topics, please.

Cat

ERISS wrote:Many countries took fascist ways to fight the fascism!:
Russia with bolsheviks (state capitalism), USA with usual capitalism (IWW fighting against fascism in USA), and many others.
They all enslave the people in factories to the profit of few.


Then you shouldn't condone the tsar for the murder of many people killed for nothing under its law. In some way he paid with the same justice ways he had.

I don't want get in discussion about politics, but terms like 'enslaving people in factories' is much hyperbole.

I never condone bad things, done by monarchy, though what sins did Olga, Tatiana, Alexi, and Anastasia commit that called for death? Especially at the hands of the men ordering the red terror?

It was bad time due to a lot of factors, and even today because of years of propaganda and embellishment it is hard to really know all the true realities. Foreign 'revolutionary' minded people seem to hero worship many of Bolshevik leaders and talking bad of the monarchy when ignoring or being ignorant to the Red atrocities. Many not willing to accept the evil they did. At least now in Russia we are finally starting to be able to strike a balance between both the good and bad that came from october revolution.

Cat Lord wrote:"Two wrongs don't make one right".

Let's not drift into political discussion in this thread and stay on topics, please.

Cat

da da da. understood.

An interesting discussion nonetheless. I have high hopes for this game. It will be interesting gaming a very overlooked subject. Kudos for AGEOD to develop a game that will cause some arguments ;-)

Will they be doing one of the Spanish Civil War next? Another game overlooked apart from in Hearts of Iron.

Kevin

Amazing movie about Admiral Koltchak, made 2 years ago in Russia. Here's the trailer with English subtitles...
Great intro for Civil War "ambiance"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw6GX9Ls394&feature=related

В wrote:This was only thing Russian (and others that were in Russian Empire) really knew, it was only way to build industrial sektors. A lot of people died and suffered, but because of this we we able to beat fascists and become one of the countries the world had to listen to when we spoke.

Though I understand why the Bolsheviks felt it must be done, I can never condone the murder of the tsar and family. It should tell you how wrong it was when Red Russians even refused to do it, Bulgarians had to be used. Not even Red Russian peasants would kill Romanov family.

a)indulization under stalin goes very wron, not only due to dying of people due to stavation (food was sold for mony for building of industry), but due to heading of industialization (military build up), and not to create machinery for another industrialization and/or to help peoples for better lives.

b) if stalin didnt allied wit nazi first, he didnt need to fight with them later

c) I allways thought that reds killed tzar, info that was bulgarians was very new to me, and hard to belive.

IMHO "Quiet Flows the Don" is much better in its earlier, Soviet, version (1958, 3 parts). First, actors are much more authentic to Don cossacs of that period, than in later version. Second, the topic of RCW is shown better (in later version love story is more important).

"Quiet flows the Don" from the 50's is best version. It's all on youtube, subtitled in English.

Probably one of the very best RCW-films made is "The Red and the White", a Hungarian film from the 1960s.

"Fall of the Empire" is very good, though it barely touches the RCW.

Could recommend a very nice movie "Makhno" about anarchists.

DarkGarry wrote: a very nice movie "Makhno" about anarchists.

This somewhat comic-like tv serie? http://bakunista.nadir.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=214&Itemid=104
or the older french documentary? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-497413192306690935&hl=fr

Sorry, full name of the movie is "Nine lives of Nestor Makhno", filmed in 2007.

Soviet films, with pretty good battle scenes:

Road to Calvary (Хождение по мукам - serial, 13 series 1977
The First Horse (Первая Конная 1984
The Flight (Бег 1970
Two Comrades Were Serving (Служили два товарища 1968

Once Upon a Time There Lived a Simple Woman (Жила-была одна баба 2011
The White Guard (Белая гвардия 8 series 2012

Almost no battle scenes, but good "POV" of simple people on Civil War. First film - the peasant look on Tambov uprising, second - the officer's on events in Kiev in late 1918 - early 1919.

Do they have English subtitles?
I have recently watched "The Admiral" but it was a bit Hollywood type movie though Elizaveta Boyarskaja was beautiful.