Red Warrior wrote:There should be political and civil component to this game showing the mass character of the revolution. How workers in the factories and fields won the political struggle to build the Red Army and defeat the imperialist nations trying to reverse the first worker's revolution in the history of mankind. I believe there are a lot of positives to be learned from the historical experience of the Russian Revolution that we can apply to today's capitalist world and the struggle globally against wage slavery and fascism.
Red Warrior wrote:There should be political and civil component to this game showing the mass character of the revolution. How workers in the factories and fields won the political struggle to build the Red Army and defeat the imperialist nations trying to reverse the first worker's revolution in the history of mankind. I believe there are a lot of positives to be learned from the historical experience of the Russian Revolution that we can apply to today's capitalist world and the struggle globally against wage slavery and fascism.
Baris wrote:Maybe revolution did not changed much.Though I think there were always the danger of landlord democracy and fascism in the alternative success scenario for WH1 and WH3. But I think it changed something for not available in game sub-factions such as WH9,10.. that they didnt become another Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Kev_uk wrote:I will say that it did massively industrialise Russia, with Stalins Five Year Plans really putting the economy on a forward footing; what would have happened if the Whites had won the civil war though is another matter. Maybe it would have become a very backward country with more civil unrest? Conjecture.
Stalin did extensively industrialise Russia at the expense of decimating his political opponents, such as Trotsky and his Left Opposition, with the purges etc. He made 'Socialism in one Country', against both Lenins and Trotksy wishes, but really, with the absence of any other worldwide revolution taking place, he had no choice other than relinquish power and let the Whites in.
NY Rangers wrote:Do you think that only Stalin was capable of industrializing Russia?
Baris wrote:If counter-revolutionary whites against Reds were succesfull it wouldnt eliminate the possibly of dictatorship or repression against political opponents maybe. So I think it can be correct to say Revolution did bring another privileged class and maybe more autocracy and did change nothing in that regard from previous regime.
I think if less industrialized Russia had to face Hitler, It would be a less concern for peasants or proletariat and change their daily life. I gave the example above.
But in realistic perspective 5 years plan were cruel but mandatory as the Socialism was in danger, time was short and victims would be own people for the necessity of quick industrialism. But history all about irony indeed.
Kev_uk wrote:Well we are then in a lot of ways lucky that Russia did become Industrialised, but I guess that then raises the point would Germany still have wanted to conquer, and also raises a question what kind of relationship would the whites had with a fascist Germany? Also, we could go on, would the nazis have come to power in Germany *if* Russia had not ended up a Socialist State? A whole load of 'what-ifs'.
deoved wrote:They may be glad to break away. But Russia did not stop issuing imperialist policies on them.
Baris wrote:Cossacks were somehow fascists as well, maybe they would form some kind of agreement or military alliance with Germany in 1935's?
Athens wrote:I don't think fascist to be appropriate and I can't imagine a powerful fascist movement in a Nation whose larger part of the population is made of peasants. A reactionary one certainly.
Athens wrote:Alliance between a reactionary regime and Hitler's Germany isn't impossible and Nazism had such type of alliance but the Drang Nach Osten dream was with the antisemitism one of the very basic aims of Nazism, so I fear any yemporary alliance would have been eventually denounced. After all, Reactionary clique leading Poland in the 30 searched for alliance with Hitler. We may imagine a sort of pact like the real One between Stalin and Hitler, violated later...like in our history
Hohenlohe wrote:History was always the history of some certain personalities either men or women and more often we got only some historical records related to those deeds and not very much about whole culture...
Baris wrote:In order for a border tribe to survive economic,political and in militaristic way whole community should be very eager to fight for existance with the guidance of the Ataman in the case of Cossacks. And most probably next Ataman that would be selected should have represent commune lifestyle and ideology. It is not what we think but how they were thinking.
But I have also read communities inspired from Cossacks that have similar lifesyle. But the thing is similar communites were indeed very aggressive when taking the land from others.
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