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I believe there is some bug with heavy HQs. When a stack contains a heavy HQ of some sort (elite infanty, heavy infanty, heavy cav - range 8), combat only occurs at range 0. It seems to go directly to assault with 0 ranged hits every time. Unless there is something I am missing, this is a pretty annoying bug as these units are essentially worthless.

How did you even see the actions? It flies by so quickly.

BlackJack wrote:I believe there is some bug with heavy HQs. When a stack contains a heavy HQ of some sort (elite infanty, heavy infanty, heavy cav - range 8), combat only occurs at range 0. It seems to go directly to assault with 0 ranged hits every time. Unless there is something I am missing, this is a pretty annoying bug as these units are essentially worthless.

Could you provide us the battle logs, please.

Kensai wrote:Could you provide us the battle logs, please.

Will do. I should get them to you within a few days. I have to find where I backed up my PON saves and what little free time I had this weekend was taken up by AJE

saileaf wrote:How did you even see the actions? It flies by so quickly.

After a turn, I view the battle report for any major battles. I noticed that there were 0 ranged hits in all of these battles and when I moused over the 'range opened fire' icon, it was 0 each time. Separating the infantry corp from the heavy infantry corp would produce a "normal" battle (with appropriate ranged engagement), while engaging with heavy infantry alone or combined in a stack produced the described results.

Kensai wrote:Could you provide us the battle logs, please.

I'm not very familiar with the forum software, I can't even figure out how to pm you, so I've included part of the battle log. Here I've got a stack of various cavalry (including a cav corp with a heavy hq) involved in a battle. I've seen the same 'range 0' behavior with heavy and elite infantry corps as well.

2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Checking combat stance for Russia in region 912 Alisuri
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) InCS %: 0 New Retreat Will %: 200
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Ammo %: 100 New Retreat Will %: 200
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Weighted average of Trench levels: 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Power of opponents compared to us: 107.14 % Base Retreat Will: 14.00 %
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Dice rolled: 15
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) => We want to stay in battle
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Checking combat stance for Khiva in region 912 Alisuri
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Preliminary test: No need to retreat from this battle: OppPower: 179 FacPower: 195 .
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 1011663 Khiva Ordusu new target is 1042181 Read, N.A.' Force
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) <<<-----START----->>>
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Starting CheckBattles, a battle occurs in region Alisuri at day 1
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Checking Battle Abilities given by 1042181 Read, N.A.' Force
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Nikolai Read [51/Strong Disciplinarian] Off: 100 Def: 100 Aslt: 100 Init: 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) ---> ROF: 0 Prot: 0 Disc(TQ): 1
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) ---> LandingPerc: 100 CrossingPerc: 100 ChargerMod: 0 CChargeMod: 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Checking Battle Abilities given by 1047725 1-i Voennye Gospitali
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) CiC - Leader Nikolai Read [51/Strong Disciplinarian] Off: 100 Def: 100 Aslt: 100 Init: 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) ---> ROF: 0 Prot: 0 Disc(TQ): 1
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) ---> LandingPerc: 100 CrossingPerc: 100 ChargerMod: 0 CChargeMod: 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Checking Battle Abilities given by 1011663 Khiva Ordusu
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) GetRound SubList 56 SUs can be involved during this round.
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 7
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 6
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 5
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 4
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 3
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 2
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 1
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Changing range
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Round: 0 Battle is now at range 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Picked: RUS Read, N.A.' Force 1006440 5-i Kirasirski 'Ordenski' Polk assaulting
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Target unit is: Khiva\Khiva Ordusu\Birinci Firka
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** Start of action # 1 1006440 5-i Kirasirski 'Ordenski' Polk vs 1011669 Native Regulars ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 5-i Kirasirski 'Ordenski' Polk - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Regulars - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 5-i Kirasirski 'Ordenski' Polk - Unit Commander: Mihail Homutoov Cmd Coeff. %: 103
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 103.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Regulars - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 5-i Kirasirski 'Ordenski' Polk - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 5-i Kirasirski 'Ordenski' Polk - Unit Commander: Mihail Homutoov Cmd Coeff. %: 103
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 105.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender DmgDone: 3 CohDone: 10 AsltDmgDone 3 AsltCohDone: 10
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender ToHit: 64.26 rolled a 42 scoring a hit Attacker remaining Health&Cohesion 12 / 44
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** End of action ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Picked: KHI Khiva Ordusu 1011690 Native Cavalry assaulting
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Target unit is: Russia\Read, N.A.' Force\1-i Kavaleri Korpus
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** Start of action # 2 1011690 Native Cavalry vs 1021194 Heavy Cavalry Regiment ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Cavalry - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Unit Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 100
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 105.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Cavalry - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Unit Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 100
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 100.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** End of action ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Picked: RUS Read, N.A.' Force 1006446 7-i Kirasirski 'Printsa Alberta Prusskago' Polk assaulting
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Target unit is: Khiva\Khiva Ordusu\Kraliyet Ev Firka
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** Start of action # 3 1006446 7-i Kirasirski 'Printsa Alberta Prusskago' Polk vs 1011689 Native Cavalry ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 7-i Kirasirski 'Printsa Alberta Prusskago' Polk - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Cavalry - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 100.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Cavalry - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 7-i Kirasirski 'Printsa Alberta Prusskago' Polk - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 105.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Attacker DmgDone: 5 CohDone: 30 AsltDmgDone 5 AsltCohDone: 30
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Attacker ToHit: 40.91 rolled a 26 scoring a hit Defender remaining Health&Cohesion 5 / 71
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender DmgDone: 3 CohDone: 30 AsltDmgDone 3 AsltCohDone: 30
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender ToHit: 92.40 rolled a 18 scoring a hit Attacker remaining Health&Cohesion 9 / 0
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** End of action ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Picked: RUS Read, N.A.' Force 1046395 Heavy Cavalry Regiment assaulting
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Target unit is: Khiva\Khiva Ordusu\Birinci Firka
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** Start of action # 4 1046395 Heavy Cavalry Regiment vs 1011674 Native Regulars ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Regulars - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Unit Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 100
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 100.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Regulars - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Heavy Cavalry Regiment - Unit Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 100
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 105.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender DmgDone: 3 CohDone: 10 AsltDmgDone 3 AsltCohDone: 10
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender ToHit: 64.26 rolled a 4 scoring a hit Attacker remaining Health&Cohesion 10 / 9
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** End of action ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Picked: RUS Read, N.A.' Force 1006449 8-i Ulanski 'Voznesenski' Polk assaulting
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Target unit is: Khiva\Khiva Ordusu\Kraliyet Ev Firka
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** Start of action # 5 1006449 8-i Ulanski 'Voznesenski' Polk vs 1011690 Native Cavalry ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 8-i Ulanski 'Voznesenski' Polk - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Cavalry - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 100.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Native Cavalry - Commander: Muhammad Amin Bahadur Cmd Coeff. %: 110
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) 8-i Ulanski 'Voznesenski' Polk - Commander: Nikolai Read Cmd Coeff. %: 105
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Battle effectiveness with leader rating: 105.00%
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender DmgDone: 3 CohDone: 30 AsltDmgDone 3 AsltCohDone: 30
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) Defender ToHit: 92.40 rolled a 31 scoring a hit Attacker remaining Health&Cohesion 12 / 21
2:31:15 PM (Reporting) *** End of action ***
2:31:15 PM (Reporting)

Excuse me, what was the weather like in these battles? When there is a blizzard forces close by before opening fire, essentially having all battles at "assault range".

Kensai wrote:Excuse me, what was the weather like in these battles? When there is a blizzard forces close by before opening fire, essentially having all battles at "assault range".

The weather at the time of the battle was listed as 'rain', the terrain steppes.

I started a new Grand Campaign as Russia and noticed that this issue still occurs in the latest non-beta version. It is easy to reproduce: simply build infantry corps H, guards corps, or a heavy cavalry corps then maneuver a stack containing one of these elements near an enemy and engage. Reload the turn, remove unit with the heavy hq (this appears to be the common element) and re-fight the battle. This behavior occurs in fair weather, so I don't think that plays a role. I've only played a 1850 Grand Campaign as Russia so I don't know if this could be nation and/or tech level specific.

I found out a similar bug, but only with the 1870 HQs, not the 1850 models... but checking it out, Blackjack is most likely right.

Try the following: put those files inside GameData/Models (accept overwrites). Remove the file named Models.Cached

Run the game again, the issue should disappear...

Not sure what files you are referring to, I don't see any attachments or links in the post. I'm thrilled that you may have a quick fix for this, just let me know the procedure and I will give it a shot and let you know the results. Appreciate the help.

PhilThib wrote:I found out a similar bug, but only with the 1870 HQs, not the 1850 models... but checking it out, Blackjack is most likely right.

Try the following: put those files inside GameData/Models (accept overwrites). Remove the file named Models.Cached

Run the game again, the issue should disappear...

Philippe, would you please consider posting a quickfix for this? Some of us are terrible at moving files around, or even finding them, few worse than me. Yet we still love the game and want it to work well.

I know you are busy, but this is a huge issue, and I have noticed this myself. Thank you for considering this request, and I understand if you are too busy.

But it should be fixed in the next patch, if a quickfix is not possible.

I believe it's already in patch 1.04 Beta. I'll do a quickfix soon with this

PhilThib wrote:I believe it's already in patch 1.04 Beta. I'll do a quickfix soon with this

Once again, you have my gratitude! Thank you.

vaalen wrote:Once again, you have my gratitude! Thank you.

Seconded

PhilThib wrote:I believe it's already in patch 1.04 Beta. I'll do a quickfix soon with this

Philippe, when can we expect this hotfix? I am going to have to fight a major war soon, and most of my corps have heavy headquarters.

Oops...just missed it...here it is;

* Open GameData/Models
* remove Models.Cached file
* copy the content of the zip inside (accept overwrites)

That's it

Thank you!

Friends, I am overjoyed to tell you that the hotfix to this bug works!

My Guards and heavy corps performed magnificently against those pesky Austrians and their doom stack, firing at long and medium ranges with no problem.

Thanks again, Philippe!

Good news then!

Why is this sticky?