John Sedgwick wrote:Heh, not a bad idea Hohenlohe, except that Prussia had no blue-water navy to speak of in 1850 (other than its merchant marine), whereas the USN had a respectable blue-water capability in the Pacific, so they would've won any early "gunboat diplomacy" in that area. Historically the Samoan crisis didn't flare up until the late 1880s (as I'm sure you know), it just doesn't make any sense at the GC start...
Hey John, thx for that, but although you are right that Prussia had only a few Warships at that time because of their land-combat-orientation they had related to the old Hansa tradition a decent merchant marine which influenced later on the German Colonial Politics against the interests of Bismarck as they would be no good counterpart to any naval-orientated nation in that time.
But even the USA got only a small but very professional navy similar to their professional army but it was a navy capable to perform small military actions against less civilized nations(Tripolis Action). Only during and shortly after the ACW the USA/Union was capable to perform greater military actions even against the British navy due to the fact that they got more ships available around 1865 as the British had.
But also true was the fact that the Samoa crisis had a more commercial background than we are today conscious. Samoa was in that time the world greatest producer of socalled "kopra" a basic product for soap production and parfume production thus that nation which controled that island group would get a world monopol and so it was the main reason for any intervention there.
Only as the german BASF was able to produce that basic elements in a synthetic way it was again a more german monopol. The main german merchant house and shipping company "Wörmann" from Hamburg was in that time responsible for the colonial development in that area. The same is true for any german engagement in Kamerun, Southwest Africa and especially for East Africa.
Nowadays no one here in Germany knows simply in anyway that Germany was the main concurrent for the British and the Italians in East Africa from around 1850 until around 1890 because some german merchant companies got big common land rights at the coast of modern Tanzania,Kenia and Somalia and even Eritrea. Around 1880 or later there was formed a treaty between Great Britain and Germany that leaded to British Domination in Kenia and Uganda and that stopped german influence in Somalia and Ethiopia. Therefore if there would have been a more French influence this conflict would have simply ended in a war like that of 1870/71 and with a german victory but as it was the British with her special insular situation it was not possible for the german without a decent navy to change anything to their behalf.
Bismarck knows the real situation in those times and as he regarded the Russians and the French as a greater threat to Germany than Britain he was definitely not interested to wage war with Britain because he saw Britain as a possible Ally. Thus Britain gained more out of nothing simply due to their gunboat diplomacy... The USA had simply learned from the British during the 19th century and did so especially since the WWI in Latin America and since the WWI worldwide especially after the fall of the Soviet Union.
But enough offtopic you are right the Samoa Crisis starts simply to early historically...
heartly greetings
Hohenlohe who knows sometimes too much...*suchheadaches**uff**grin*
P.S.:A egyptian muslim pasha aka general of german or austrian origin was responsible for the first great expedition in the South Sudan and Uganda area before the Mahdi Rebellion and only as the British and the French clashed at Fashoda it gave slightly a change in that greater area...
R.I.P. Henry D.
In Remembrance of my Granduncle Hans Weber, a Hungaro-German Soldier,served in Austro-Hungarian Forces during WWI,war prisoner, missed in Sibiria 1918...