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American Privateers

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:25 pm
by Offworlder
Ok I'm having some problems with American privateers in the Revolution. Despite having encountered the English merchants numerous times, they never seem to inflict harm upon them. Most of the time they just fire and neither take nor give damage. For over 3 years now I've been trying to sink the New England Fleet, but to no avail.

Oddly enough in the Seven Years war scenarios, the French man-o-war had no problem intercepting and sinking English shipping. In two or three encounters, they would send British ships to the bottom no problem.

So what's the deal with American units? I admit they are much weaker than French man-o-war but spending years trying to sink the same ships to no avail becomes kind of pointless... :tournepas

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:46 am
by Offworlder
BTW I'm also having a problem with getting the French to intervene. Even if I decimate the English army, the French do not intervene. I'm actually looking forward to French intervention so that I can use their man-o-war to destroy British shipping.

As an afterthought: do forces destroyed through weather/terrain attrition count towards victory or intervention? I find that it is quite easy to destroy British forces like that without firing a shot.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:20 pm
by FM WarB
just a guess, based on my research of naval warfare in the era and experience with BoA1:
The naval aspect of the game may not be as accurate or simulated as well as the land aspect. I suspect this applies to all Ageod games. And please note my compliment about the accuracy of land simulation.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:10 pm
by Offworlder
But I think its more of a bug than anything else. It seems that privateers can't really hit the merchants or at least the results are not evident. In the French and Indian war scenario the French navy had a field day sinking merchants. They provided me with all the EPs necessary to prosecute the war. BTW when sending man-o-war to intercept merchants make sure that they are accompanied by a frigate squadron or two.

BTW now it seems that the intervention event is completely broken. Prior to the patch, the counter stopped but still intervention occured. Now there is no way to get the French to intervene. I just bashed the British army all over the place and the French just don't do anything... :p leure: I want those French man-o-war and see if I could go head to head with a certain Mr Rodney :cwboy: :siffle:

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:14 pm
by lodilefty
Offworlder wrote:But I think its more of a bug than anything else. It seems that privateers can't really hit the merchants or at least the results are not evident. In the French and Indian war scenario the French navy had a field day sinking merchants. They provided me with all the EPs necessary to prosecute the war. BTW when sending man-o-war to intercept merchants make sure that they are accompanied by a frigate squadron or two.

BTW now it seems that the intervention event is completely broken. Prior to the patch, the counter stopped but still intervention occured. Now there is no way to get the French to intervene. I just bashed the British army all over the place and the French just don't do anything... :p leure: I want those French man-o-war and see if I could go head to head with a certain Mr Rodney :cwboy: :siffle:


We're looking at FE. I'm not sure where all the points come from, but I do know that some new ones are in development ;)

Privateers are inflicting some cohesion losses, but maybe not enough to do much. We'll look at it.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:02 am
by Offworlder
lodilefty wrote:We're looking at FE. I'm not sure where all the points come from, but I do know that some new ones are in development ;)

Privateers are inflicting some cohesion losses, but maybe not enough to do much. We'll look at it.


Tnx, Maybe this can be of some help. When the privateers attack, they neither inflict nor get damaged by the merchants.

Any news on the French Intervention?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:04 am
by lodilefty
Offworlder wrote:Tnx, Maybe this can be of some help. When the privateers attack, they neither inflict nor get damaged by the merchants.

Any news on the French Intervention?


The Privateers are weaker than Frigates, but appear to be modeled OK.

Theory:
  1. Privateers are usually a single, brig, element [very weak]
  2. There are a lot of Merchants, so damage may not be readily visible {I've looked, and there is a very small damage being done}


Historically, the privateers were 'irritants', not truly devastating. The true physical damage done was minimal [psychological damage is another story].

Game-wise, IMHO, the ability to truly disrupt British economy should be minimal [as reflected in EP gained by merchants]

Merchants [and Transports, Bateuax] hae 0 offensive firepower, so cannot do damage.

Having said all this, of course we want it to be FUN, so another look is warranted :)

FE is being looked at. Please be patient :)

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:28 am
by Offworlder
Thanks! :coeurs:

It makes sense. Is it possible that single elements of the merchants are sunk? (I may have not noticed it).