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First screenshot

Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:33 am

Ok, here is the first screenshot of the mod, of course we are still at development phase, correcting multiple errors and adding graphic details.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:39 am

Looking good, aryaman.

How do you organize the graphics work on this? (I.e. are you using images from other sources? Making them yourself? A combination?)
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:34 pm

Rafiki wrote:Looking good, aryaman.

How do you organize the graphics work on this? (I.e. are you using images from other sources? Making them yourself? A combination?)



I was granted permission to use some graphic material from Europa Barbarorum (a mod of Rome Total War), then I adapt them to my requirements.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:35 pm

Excellent, it is always moving when a game takes form!
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:47 pm

It looks very promising, aryaman.

Do you manage to adapt all unit panel stats (off fire, def fire ..etc..) to that specific game period ?
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:53 pm

Adlertag wrote:It looks very promising, aryaman.

Do you manage to adapt all unit panel stats (off fire, def fire ..etc..) to that specific game period ?


I did theoretically, we will see how those work in the game

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:23 pm

I'm sure the mod will be great!
I can't wait to try it! It covers one of my favorite historical eras. :coeurs: :coeurs:
Good news about EB graphics. They are top quality!
Aryaman,
What happens with the map graphics? Are they in the making? I supposed the mod would use the standard ones from NCP.

Congrats and regards!

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:45 pm

Map graphics are for the moment disabled to keep the overall size of the game small

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Nice screen shot! :coeurs:
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:25 am

Hi aryaman.

Have you tried to sharpen the units graphics?. Some sharpening can do miracles ;)


I have checked Europa barborum pages. Will you extract your graphics from the 3d images

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/gallery_models.html


or from the artistic one?

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/gallery_artwork.html


Perhaps there are more that are not shown in the web page

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Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:54 am

It looks great! :coeurs:

If you have a copy of Roma: Total War, I have some editing tips to suggest you.

1. Enter the program, (Roma: Total War) and generate a battle, seleting units at will for your army.

2. Use the higher resolution you can with you PC.

3. Start taking on game screenshots, panning and zooming at will over deployed units.

4. Select best screenshots, then work them with any graphic program: photoshop or other..... With some practice you should get your Armies, Units, Models picture to be used with Your great Punic WAR, NCP mod!

BTW, you should not have copywright troubles, because you are taking your own screenshot from a licensed program, (You bought your copy of Roma: Total War!).
Than, You modded your screenshot on your own, and finally the mod is freeware! :cool:

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Here are some Units I edited according to reported ruotine from WarHammer: Mark of Chaos.
They are in the 81x81 size proper of NCP Unit-figures.

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I'm considering to carry the Dark shadowns of Warhammer Universe over NCP!

But at moment I'm till very busy with a mess of other issues!
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:13 pm

Nikel wrote:Hi aryaman.

Have you tried to sharpen the units graphics?. Some sharpening can do miracles ;)


I have checked Europa barborum pages. Will you extract your graphics from the 3d images

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/gallery_models.html


or from the artistic one?

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/gallery_artwork.html


Perhaps there are more that are not shown in the web page


Hi Nikel
I took the images from the cards game, I didn´t try any sharpening, as my graphic abilities are way too limited, if you want to play around with them I can send them to you :siffle:

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Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:14 pm

jastaV wrote:
BTW, you should not have copywright troubles, because you are taking your own screenshot from a licensed program, (You bought your copy of Roma: Total War!).
Than, You modded your screenshot on your own, and finally the mod is freeware! :cool:

That is very interesting to know

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aryaman wrote:That is very interesting to know
It would be even more interesting to know whether this is correct. :confused:

I cannot believe that the artist looses all intellectual properties as soon as you take a screenshot and modify something.
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:51 pm

aryaman, what do you mean with cards game, juego de cartas? Not from the PC game? Rome Total War is a PC game and Europa Barborum is a Mod, but are there cards games too? Never played these games.


Send me some units to my e-mail ;)



I do not agree with jastaV either, the graphics of the games are copyrighed and you need the authorization of the owner of the copyright. But of course I am not an expert in this at all


Is there a lawyer expert in copyrights out there? :neener:

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dooya wrote:It would be even more interesting to know whether this is correct. :confused:

I cannot believe that the artist looses all intellectual properties as soon as you take a screenshot and modify something.


I'm not en expert in copywright laws.
That's the reasons why I wrote:
BTW, you [color="Red"]should not[/color] have copywright troubles, because you are taking your own screenshot from a licensed program, (You bought your copy of Roma: Total War!).
Than, You modded your screenshot on your own, and finally the mod is freeware!


Indeed, what you evidenced should be true for anything else.
For example leader portraits edited over original paints should be a violation of copywright laws, but you get an usage permission from museums or private collections owning it!
Same is true for pictures illustrating events, when coming from historical reprodution.
An what about leaders!
Did you get the permissions from generals heirs to use their ancestors in a game?

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Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:28 pm

jastaV wrote:I'm not en expert in copywright laws.
That's the reasons why I wrote:
BTW, you [color="Red"]should not[/color] have copywright troubles, because you are taking your own screenshot from a licensed program, (You bought your copy of Roma: Total War!).
Than, You modded your screenshot on your own, and finally the mod is freeware!


Indeed, what you evidenced should be true for anything else.
For example leader portraits edited over original paints should be a violation of copywright laws, but you get an usage permission from museums or private collections owning it!
Same is true for pictures illustrating events, when coming from historical reprodution.
An what about leaders!
Did you get the permissions from generals heirs to use their ancestors in a game?

Some pictures are from public domain (for example, most of the rulers of the world have "public domain" pictures obviously), and some that you can find on the internet are not.
I supose in many of these cases, considering how old the pictures are, have become "public domain" because of age... but i am not an expert on this issue (how long it takes for a picture to become "public domain").
Taking screenshots from a recently published game and using it in another game without authorization from the publisher/developer... is SURELLY a copyright violation.
You do not "own" the content of the screenshot. ;)
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Generalisimo wrote:Some pictures are from public domain (for example, most of the rulers of the world have "public domain" pictures obviously), and some that you can find on the internet are not.
I supose in many of these cases, considering how old the pictures are, have become "public domain" because of age... but i am not an expert on this issue (how long it takes for a picture to become "public domain").
Taking screenshots from a recently published game and using it in another game without authorization from the publisher/developer... is SURELLY a copyright violation.
You do not "own" the content of the screenshot. ;)


Probably you are right!

Later when I'll have clarify myself I'm able to carry to completion a complex modding process, I could contact WH publishers for their use permission.
That the way I keep moving everytime I use 3rd party material, even freeware one.

Developing a WH mod could be in the interst of both WH & AGEod company for commercial reasons: WH enthusiastic users could approach NCP while WH-NCP users will want try original WH products.


You are right as regard "public domain" photos of worldwide leaders.
Guess, you are not completelt right when you use a famous portrait to abstract a game figure!
Indeed you have to consider both reasons related to the "image" of an historical person, (may be of public domain) both reasons related to original picture ownships......and indeed you have consider that the original paints is also manipulated!

Very complex matter indeed!

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jastaV wrote:You are right as regard "public domain" photos of worldwide leaders.
Guess, you are not completelt right when you use a famous portrait to abstract a game figure!
Indeed you have to consider both reasons related to the "image" of an historical person, (may be of public domain) both reasons related to original picture ownships......and indeed you have consider that the original paints is also manipulated!

Very complex matter indeed!

Well, for a lawer is not that complex, but for us mere mortals it is. :w00t: :D
It is even more complex for us because of international laws and treaties.. but like I said, it wouldn't be if we were specialists in that matter, something that, sadly, we are not. :(

By the way, you are wrong about "manipulation". Even if the image is manipulated, it still has the original copyrights... think about that in the music industry... you can't take the last Madonna's single, add some drums to it, and claim that the result is now your property because you "manipulated it". ;)
That's not the way it works.
Following the Madonna's example, Madonna had to pay millions to Abba for using the entry music of one of their hits for the beggining of a new song (can't remember the names right now, i am not a Madonna's fan :neener: ). Manipulation doesn't give you any rights over other artist work.
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:01 pm

Generalisimo wrote:Well, for a lawer is not that complex, but for us mere mortals it is. :w00t: :D
......Manipulation doesn't give you any rights over other artist work.


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You misanderstood my words!
I think non authorized manipulation make things harder not easier!
In fact you should get both permission to use of the original both a a permission for the manipulation........ :( :bonk:

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