The price I paid for this game

[dbeves]

I have just been to the Amazon website and they are selling the game pre-order for £15.

Thats a whole 50% less than I paid for my digital copy only download.

I feel to a large extent I have been conned by AGEOD as I am sure that amazon arent making a loss on the game so AGEOD must have sold it to them at something less than the £15 they are charging for it ..

What gives AGEOD ? admittedly I will get the game a couple of days early but my view always was that pre-orders helped a software company and therefore I should be getting the reduced price ... I couldve kept my cash out of your bank account for a month and in mine ... got the game 50% cheaper ... and have a hard copy manual...

at least you guys could have done is shared with us the information you had sold it so cheap to amazon so we could have made our own minds up ...

Really pissed about this ...

[PhilThib]

No idea why... this is way below the official release price from Ascaron in the UK...in addition we don't sell to Amazon

Please send me a copy of the link where you have seen that price...

[Nikel]

Searched at Amazon UK and dbeves is right, 50% discount

http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-War-One-PC-CD/dp/B001CZ5MMS/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226157005&sr=8-12

[PhilThib]

If you have a look, you'll see the games offered are considered as "used".......how come, for a product that is not even released ?!

There are 4 units in all...we can't control that kind of behaviour...if people want to buy at full price and re-sell immediately at broken prices, it's their problem...

We shall be particularly wary of those serials coming from that kind of premature "second-hand" sale...

[Franciscus]

Sorry to contradit you PhilThib, but if you check carefully, all the 4 offers in amazon uk are new, sold by 4 "sub-dealers" (not by amazon directly), with prices ranging from 15 to 28,19 pounds. It is indeed strange how it is possible such a low price as £15. I have already bought several items via amazon sellers, without problems, and they are certainly "legit". It maybe that comes the actual sale date the price is modified; it has happened to me in a few pre-orders (but everytime I was duly informed about the price change and given the option to cancel the purchase).

[dbeves]

If you have a look, you'll see the games offered are considered as "used".......how come, for a product that is not even released ?!

There are 4 units in all...we can't control that kind of behaviour...if people want to buy at full price and re-sell immediately at broken prices, it's their problem...

We shall be particularly wary of those serials coming from that kind of premature "second-hand" sale...

Are you saying these are pirate copies ?

If you look more closely at the link - you will see even Amazons official merchant (where they despatch all there software from these days is selling at 17.98 ?

Sorry - but I cant believe these guys are buying at 30 and selling at an immediate £12 loss on the game ... something is up here ....

I know there is some margin of profit in the game of course ... but 17.98 for a hard copy product vs a pre order digital only copy price of 30 ? Frankly that stinks and I cant see a reason to pre order on that basis ...especiallyh not for a digital only copy ... and you lose all the interest youve made having our cash sitting in your bank account.

I dont even have a resell price on my preorder cause its a digital product.

[Nikel]

The cheapest seller is PNA games, and apparently has its own homepage

http://www.pnagames.co.uk/acatalog/index.html


I am not able to find WWI here, searched for Ageod, Ascaron or the name of the game. Example, the upcoming PC game list is here and there is no WWI

http://www.pnagames.co.uk/acatalog/Upcoming_Releases__PC_.html


Seems strange

[PDF]

My view is that resellers got a huge margin normally - and the e-sellers got less much costs compared to brick ones, so they can dump some prices to attract customers and still make some gains.

I checked at play.com, price is a normal 29..£ but then they offer a $5 rebate...

That's wild capitalism in its glory !

[ird]

I've just been back onto Amazon to check as I pre-ordered this direct from Amazon a week or so ago at £17.98 - the layout of the page has altered from my order but if you look to the right column there is still a pre-order button direct from Amazon at £17.98.

I've bought my previous games direct from Ageod but have a dodgy mobile broadband link at the moment and downloading would have been too much of a pain so I went for the Amazon option - and saved myself some money!!!

[arsan]

Amazon price looks like a very good offer, but don't forget that you must add VAT and delivery costs to that price.
Huge on line shops like Amazon can offer this kind of discounts as they buy lots of copies from Ascaron (of this and other games) and can bargain for special prices.
They do this with games, books, DVD, CD... everything.
As PDF says, it's capitalism at work: the law of offer and demand
Check prices and buy where you want. But if you want to support the developers, buying directly form them is the best way of doing it, no doubt about it

Regards

[PhilThib]

Remember that in the UK, the VAT is 17.5%...so the game will end up around £ 22.00... this is cheap (not as cheap when you also add shipping costs)..


But Arsan and PDF are right, there are no ways for us to "control" this kind of offers...

[Adlertag]

After all, it is only 4 offers and it will not satisfy very much guys after the 4th buyer...

[Willard]

Well actually, AGEOD could offer a LOWER price for digital download then what is being currently offered at their own shop. IMO, $50 USD is a bit steep for a digital download considering you can get boxed versions of software in the US for the same or cheaper price.

Additionally, one could make the argument that AGEOD could "bundle" some of their online sales:

Buy WW1 and get the second AGEOD title at 20% (or some percentage) off, a third at 30% off, etc.

Anyway, just some thoughts from a customer...

[PhilThib]

All these suggestions are nice, we'll take them into account later on...but in the 'normal' world of business, it is rather unusual to discount new products which have costed months of (not-free) work

[PDF]

Yes but I don't admit well that electronic format games, music, etc is not cheaper than boxes/discs and so on : it costs much less, it should be cheaper (a store margin is like 40% on such products...) !
This is out of "pressure" from stores owners towards publishers/producers, who want to keep their sales ... yet it's not normal.

[tagwyn]

Are you people crazy? AGEOD is making the best PCcomputer wargames ever made!! Do you want to kill the goose laying the golden eggs? Do you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater? On top of that, have you noticed there is a world-wide finanacial crisis? Come on readers, give AGEOD all your business!!! apy:

[DJACK]

I understand your disappointment and you are right because digital support is far less expensive than box. Well, i admit i often buy games on http://www.amazon.co.uk because they are far cheaper than in my French country, the only inconvenient is that i have not always french localization on these.
In my case i will do honourable compensation because knowing AGEOD services in constant ameliorations of their games and not with single antibugs patchs.

[CSS]

If you dont support Ageods work then dont buy!

This is their job, their living and our enjoyment! If a few quid are going to kill you or you imagine they are earning interest off money in the bank just go join a Quango, as they are non elected beaurocrats anyway.

I do not have the skill to design, program,manufacture, or distribute these incredible games.Ageod does!

If all you are going to do is complain about buying them then please go buy them from the black market, or chinese pirate, then brag to your friends if you have any?About how you taught that greedy company a thing or two.

But dont you dare raise your voice when AGEOD is not around anymore!

This is a forum about a great game not a board for miserable, petty,greedy, socialist, penny pinchers!

[Rafiki]

I've said this in the other thread dealing with this topic, but I'll repeat it here:

Where and how anyone wishes to spend their money is their own private choice. That someone wants to go where they get the best deal is hardly something they can be blamed for.

That said, we truly appreciate those who choose to purchase our games directly from AGEOD, since even with all other things being equal, AGEOD gets a larger share of the proceeds there. That people make this a significant aspect of their purchasing decision is something we take as credit for the work we have done so far, as a vote of confidence that we will continue to do so and as a challenge to make sure we do

I'll grant CSS this, though; without sales, AGEOD won't be able to make games in the future. It's a simple fact of (business) life.

[dbeves]

If you dont support Ageods work then dont buy!

This is their job, their living and our enjoyment! If a few quid are going to kill you or you imagine they are earning interest off money in the bank just go join a Quango, as they are non elected beaurocrats anyway.

I do not have the skill to design, program,manufacture, or distribute these incredible games.Ageod does!

If all you are going to do is complain about buying them then please go buy them from the black market, or chinese pirate, then brag to your friends if you have any?About how you taught that greedy company a thing or two.

But dont you dare raise your voice when AGEOD is not around anymore!

This is a forum about a great game not a board for miserable, petty,greedy, socialist, penny pinchers!

Why are you such a thick idiot ... this is not an argument about what I paid for the game ... this is an argument about some people being charged 50 % more for less of a game - on release date - simply by dint of where they buy the game.

Why are you so dense that you cannot see that it hurts AGEOD the most ... as by selling the game to these people so cheaply on release they are deterring people from placing pre - oreders and thereby losing money. Make no mistake AGEOD own the rights to the game and so they were responsible for the price they sold product to these people who are selling the game so cheaply are charging.

If you had an ounce of sense you would realize that AGEOD is not going to survive by contributions of the few like yourself who make purely altruistic decisions about where they buy a game from and pay more for a game simply to support a developer but by general gamers like me who buy the game out of interest to see what it is like and may even only play it a few times and want to see a good reson to buy a preorder ...

[Rafiki]

[color="Red"]Namecalling is not acceptable. "Thick idiot" and "dense" fall into this category, as does "miserable, petty,greedy, socialist, penny pinchers".

If you are not able to discuss things in a civil manner, then the only other option open to you is to not discuss the matter at all.[/color]

[arsan]

dbeves
Check the Amazon web and see for yourself: ASCARON has the rights to retail distribution of the game on UK. Those copies are ASCARON copies.
And those games are not even sold directly by amazon. They are just 4 copies sold at amazon by 4 other retailers
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B001CZ5MMS/ref=dp_olp_2/279-6042159-7094616
Why they sell so cheap?? because they want.
Maybe to make people notice them (never heard of PNA games before, but now i do and i have even checked their web. Seem like his tactic works )
All this have nothing to do with AGEOD nor even ASCARON.
If wanted to sell my copy of the game on 11/11 for 1 cent at amazon as a seller, i would have the right to do this, and it wont be AGEOD's fault, nor should AGEOD be forced to match my offer.
This is a free market
Thinking a game developer has the right or power to force a seller to sell at one price or another shows very little knowledge of how things work...
Exactly the same that happens with bargain bins on any store and with any kind of product.

Regards

[Willard]

If you dont support Ageods work then dont buy!

This is their job, their living and our enjoyment! If a few quid are going to kill you or you imagine they are earning interest off money in the bank just go join a Quango, as they are non elected beaurocrats anyway.

I do not have the skill to design, program,manufacture, or distribute these incredible games.Ageod does!

If all you are going to do is complain about buying them then please go buy them from the black market, or chinese pirate, then brag to your friends if you have any?About how you taught that greedy company a thing or two.

But dont you dare raise your voice when AGEOD is not around anymore!

This is a forum about a great game not a board for miserable, petty,greedy, socialist, penny pinchers!

I would request that you delete your nasty references to those who disagree with your opinion.

I am not into PC piracy, I am not miserable nor petty or greedy or a socialist penny pincher.

I simply asked the question why the digital download cost is at $50. In the US, when you pay that price, you generally get the hard copy product.

I have purchased two previous AGEOD products (BOA and ACW) so I certainly not looking to run them out of business. Additionally, I am not suggesting they necessarily reduce the price of WWI. I was suggesting they bundle the price with existing software that has already been released. That may induce someone like me to pick-up BOA2 or Napoleon in addition to WWI.

[vaalen]

The fault is with Amazon, not Ageod.

Who but Ageod would make a game like this?

Who but Ageod could make a game like this?

Who else supports their games like Ageod, with numerous, comprehensive, and FREE patches that go far beyond fixing bugs. but offer new enhancements to the game?

Do not the fine people at Ageod deserve to be compensated fairly for their creativity, excellent products, and hard work?

Ageod must charge enough for the games to make the business work.

The price is quite reasonable for what is being offered.

In a few days, it will be my honor to purchase this fine game directly from Ageod.

[tagwyn]

No one is questioning the right of any person or company to act on the open market as they will! Go ahead; shoot yourself in the foot. I care and I will be sorry for you, pity you! apy:

[PhilThib]

Please gents, cool down. Thanks for all the expressed support, and I also understand the opinion of those who prefer to buy where it costs less.

As I said earlier and in another post, we have no control over this. And we can't change our ways of working for a few 4 units which will probably not be delivered before some time...

[PhilThib]

Hi All,

I had a talk with Ascaron UK this morning. The games shown at Amazon are not sold by Amazon UK directly but by a smaller company called PNA, using Amazon as their boutique.

They sell almost at cost, and have only a limited stock of 50 units (all clearly identified now)... and won't get more under the present conditions.

So it's up to our clients to see where they want to buy. If they want it cheap they can get it from this one-time offer...rush before the stock is depleted...

Or support us and buy from us directly or from retailers in the UK that play a fair game.

[kyle]

The original post has a slight point and I can see his frustration. When I originally bought my download, I think it was through matrix games, it was $50. That is still the price for most downloads I believe (Matrix, Ageod, Gamergate). But the game 'retail' through a box and mortar store like best buy sells for $29.99 which is appx. 15 pound (more like 17.13 or so). Granted, the 'retail' version wasn't available until six months or so later but that's still a big difference from $50. And it isn't just one mortar store, its all mortar stores that sell at that price (30.00). A shopper really doesn't have anyone to blame but themselves though, because they should do their due diligence and shop around. And different channels of distribution unfortunately come with different price structures. If I remember correctly, there is a demo available to play, is there not? So if a buyer had the opportunity to play the demo, they could determine if the $50 was warranted. So, though we have nobody to blame but ourselves, it is still frustrating. Though on another note, I bought my version like around 1.4 and I would say through the patches, it is much improved from when I originally bought it. And the original purchase was bug free from what I could tell aka, things worked as designed, no crashes etc.

[Clovis]

My POV: how much time I play with AGEOD games? A lot.

How much I want other AGEOD games? A lot.

How much I'm willing to spend for AGEOD games? A lot.

So I buy directly from here. Giving money to indifferent middle men is just assuring middle men business success. Even for lower prices.

Buying from AGEOD directly is investing for the future...

[Gray_Lensman]

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