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McNaughton
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'Natural' Deaths

Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:18 pm

I am working on incorporating natural deaths (with some randomizatoin) for some historic generals. They include death by disease, murder, natural causes, as well as retirements due to illness and/or age, as well as due to political situation and failure.

Here's what I have so far...

USA
Patterson - Retired (removed from command) 1861
W. Scott - Retired in 1861
P. Cooke - Retired in 1862
WH French - Retired in 1864
Buell - Retired in 1864 (after being inactive for 1.5 years)
W Nelson - Died (murder) 1862
FJ Porter - Retired (courtmarshal) 1863
McClellan - Retired (fired) 1862
Fremont - Retired in 1862 (after being overstepped for command)
Edwin V Sumner - died (natural causes) 1863
Charles F Smith - died (infection after non-battle injury) 1862 (not in the game . . . yet)
Charles S Hamilton (resigned) 1863

CSA
Floyd - Died (natural causes) 1863
Van Dorn - Died (murder) May 1863
WG Smith - Retired (nervous breakdown) 1862
M Bonham - Retired (slighted) January 1862


I am excluding battle deaths. Basically, since I have discovered that some original events had erronious actions which would remove their entire force (rather than just the element itself) and have found the correct command (which works) loss of commanders due to natural causes (i.e., non-warfare) can be incorporated.

I don't want this to be a 100% done deal, as most would just keep these commanders from important command if guaranteed (probably a 10-20% chance). Also, I am thinking about having the player influence some of the 'losses' (certain events triggered, level of national morale, failure or success to control specific territory, etc.).

Can anyone else add to my list of generals who died, or were removed from service (voluntarily or involuntarily) from 1861 to 1865?

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Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:13 am

Some of them are already in the game through 'historical' events:

- McClellan
- Van Dorn
- FJ Porter
- Fremont
- Patterson

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Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:49 pm

McNaughton wrote:Can anyone else add to my list of generals who died, or were removed from service (voluntarily or involuntarily) from 1861 to 1865?


Edwin V Sumner - died (natural causes) 1863
Charles F Smith - died (infection after non-battle injury) 1862 (not in the game . . . yet)
Charles S Hamilton (resigned) 1863
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McNaughton
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Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:31 pm

PhilThib wrote:Some of them are already in the game through 'historical' events:

- McClellan
- Van Dorn
- FJ Porter
- Fremont
- Patterson

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Yeah, I noticed these, but they are disabled (as of the latest release I have seen) due to them having their unit disappear along with the leader (a mismatch of command, instead of RemoveSubUnit, RemoveUnit was used). The list above was of all generals who 'died' or 'retired', including those already noted in game (as I was sure that someone else would mention them, I included them in the list).

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Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:32 pm

Jabberwock wrote:Edwin V Sumner - died (natural causes) 1863
Charles F Smith - died (infection after non-battle injury) 1862 (not in the game . . . yet)
Charles S Hamilton (resigned) 1863


Thanks!

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Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:35 pm

I am thinking about a few 'retired' events to be triggered by the level of morale (if morale is low, then battles aren't being won, therefore a scapegoat is needed, which was why most 'retired' in the first place).

Some things, like Porter's trial, will be in place if other events (the firing of McClellan) take place. Once McClellan was gone, Porter was basically free game, as his mentor was not there to help him (in fact, being connected to McClellan was a black mark on its own!).

Deaths due to injury, murder, sickness, etc., will have a random chance in ocurring (so you won't always expect Van Dorn to die).

Natural deaths, due to age, will be pretty much 'fixed' in place (with some randomness as to when it happens, with a chance it could come earlier, or later).

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