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The Second Grand Campaign: General discussion

Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:38 am

Hi all,

The aim of this project is to again set 6 players in the role of the original actors, to recreate the communication problems when they had to make choices and to give fun for all the community. To see how this went the first time, take a look at http://www.ageod-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=187 :)

[SIZE="5"]Grand Campaign project [/size]

Scenario: 1862
Players: 6-9 slots (with some extra roles if
Aimed-for progression: 1 turn/week

[color="Blue"]Union players[/color]

Abraham Lincoln
  • Politics, Economy, Reinforcements, Replacements
  • Command US Navy
  • Write the Union AAR
Eastern theater CiC
  • Command Union armies in the eastern theater
  • Write his own AAR
Western theater CiC
  • Command Union armies in the western theater
  • Write his own AAR
Newspaper editor
  • Extra role (provided we have enough players to fill those above)
  • Maintain a newspaper detailing the war as seen from the Union

[color="Red"]CSA Players[/color]

Jefferson Davis
  • Politics, Economy, Reinforcements, Replacements
  • Command CSA Navy, raiders and partisans
  • Write the CSA AAR forum
Eastern theater CiC
  • Command CSA armies in the eastern theater
  • Write his own AAR
Western theater CiC
  • Command CSA armies in the western theater
  • Write his own AAR
Newspaper editor
  • Extra role (provided we have enough players to fill those above)
  • Maintain a newspaper detailing the war as seen from the CSA

[color="Purple"]Observer[/color]
  • Extra role (provides we have enough players to fill the 6 main slots)
  • Provide neutral commentary and analysis of the game
Notes:
  1. CiC names may vary according to players choices
  2. Theater limits are presidential choices
  3. Players are forbidden to read other players AAR (including their own side)
  4. All communications are to be made in a dedicated public thread created in this forum (no phone, no private mails :niark: ). Some out-of-character coordination before game start will be allowed (to organize things), but after game start, everything must be in-character, in the team's "war room".
  5. Roleplay is compulsory :cwboy:

Procedure:

We'll be using the latest official patch. Any switch to a new patch will be done at the start of a turn, and I'll make sure to say so when it occurs. I.e. for any given turn, all orders and the processing of them will be done with the same patch.
I will do the hosting.
I will create a mailing list for each side, to help in distributing the turn- and order-files.
Orders are submitted by a side when I receive a mail explicitly stating so via the given side's list.

If there are enough people interested, I would also like to try out a few new roles, to help involve those not playing:
  • A "game analyzer" who after each turn receives both sides' turn-files and posts comments on what the teams are doing and how things are going. This requires some experience with the game, if possible with both sides in PBEM :cwboy:
  • A "journalist" on each side, who maintains newspaper. The exact content of the paper would be left to the journalist; it could be reports of events and battles, in-character "interviews" with the players (we'd need to determine how to do those, though ;) ) and suchlike.


Obviously, long term commitment is crucial to take part in this campaign.

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:58 pm

I'll take any active role.
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Grand Campaign - Part Deux

Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:10 pm

Please consider my humble request for either theatre as Union CiC.


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Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:27 pm

I'll maintain an updated list the positions people are interested in, like this:

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: Jabberwock, johnnycai
CiC West: Jabberwock, johnnycai
Journalist:

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: Jabberwock
CiC West: Jabberwock
Journalist:

[color="Purple"]Unaffiliated[/color]
Observer:

Once we get a fair number of participants, we'll start filling the positions themselves :)
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:03 pm

The neutral observer position, commenting the running of the war, is a great idea which will help greatly the audience in its understanding of the strategic issues faced by the GC players.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:18 pm

I am intrigued by the concept. How much time, on average, do you think a theater commander would have to invest per week?
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:53 pm

Count me in boys....love the game. I wanted to get involved with the last one. I don't care what part I play at all either.

I'd consider myself an experienced player.

Look forward to taking the project on.

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:03 pm

Heldenkaiser wrote:I am intrigued by the concept. How much time, on average, do you think a theater commander would have to invest per week?
It's a bit hard to say, but I'd say it hinges on three things:
  • Gameplay (how much time you take in placing the orders and suchlike)
  • Discussions in the war room (last time, the Union usually had a couple of posts per player per turn, with the president usually posting more than a CiC)
  • AAR (which depends on how much you put into it)
All in all, I'd say that 2-3 hours a week/turn might be a good rule of thumb, but since this is very much a guesstimate, others are free to correct me :cwboy:
Banks6060 wrote:Count me in boys....love the game. I wanted to get involved with the last one. I don't care what part I play at all either.

I'd consider myself an experienced player.

Look forward to taking the project on.

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC East: Jabberwock, johnnycai, Banks6060
CiC West: Jabberwock, johnnycai, Banks6060
Journalist: Banks6060

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC East: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC West: Jabberwock, Banks6060
Journalist: Banks6060

[color="Purple"]Unaffiliated[/color]
Observer: Banks6060

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:12 pm

A question -
Will the special house rules be redone? I believe the originals were designed with 1.04 in mind.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:14 pm

Actually, when the original house rules were set, we were looking at patch 1.02, perhaps even 1.01, IIRC ;)

But to answer your question; yes, house rules will be revised. Teams will get to have their say and final list will be set by yours truly based on the discussion :)
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:49 am

Why do you need 6 AARs?

To speed play, wouldn't it be enough if just the president did an AAR for his side, while the theatre commanders concentrated on making orders?

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:57 am

If one AAR were merely posting actions and results with an occasional screenshot, that would be sufficient. These AARs include roleplay, varying intelligence estimates, divergent priorities and skills, and other friction along the command chain.
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:14 am

That's why I am hesitant to participate. Communicating with the other players to get what you need AND doing an AAR detailing everything I am thinking about for each turn becomes a part time job very quickly.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:31 am

Part of the motivation for this is to see how having to communicate orders and requests for reinforcements and suchlike, rather than simply doing everything yourself, works out. The individual AARs, in addition to the usual things you get from an AAR, provide a way for each player to say what they *really* think and what they *really* are trying to do.

I think you are exaggerating the time needs a bit. The "burden" is fairly comparable to if you are running a one-player-a-side PBEM with an accompanying AAR, since you spend some more time doing communications, but less time placing orders and chronicling your moves, since you are only responsible for part of what your side is doing. It is (of course) up to each player how much time and detail he wants to put into the AAR, just like with any other AAR.
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:53 pm

I have been anxiously waiting for the next 'Grand Campaign' to get started!

I would love to be the CSA Western CiC. As far as the AAR's, will each role have a separate thread to post theirs in?

Looking forward to it!
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:23 pm

soloswolf wrote:I have been anxiously waiting for the next 'Grand Campaign' to get started!

I would love to be the CSA Western CiC.

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC East: Jabberwock, johnnycai, Banks6060
CiC West: Jabberwock, johnnycai, Banks6060
Journalist: Banks6060

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC East: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC West: Jabberwock, Banks6060, soloswolf
Journalist: Banks6060

[color="Purple"]Unaffiliated[/color]
Observer: Banks6060
As far as the AAR's, will each role have a separate thread to post theirs in?

Yes; take a look at the previous Grand Campaign to see how it worked out.

Each player's AAR is (for obvious reasons) off-limits to the other players ;)
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:30 pm

Rafiki wrote:Part of the motivation for this is to see how having to communicate orders and requests for reinforcements and suchlike, rather than simply doing everything yourself, works out. The individual AARs, in addition to the usual things you get from an AAR, provide a way for each player to say what they *really* think and what they *really* are trying to do.

I think you are exaggerating the time needs a bit. The "burden" is fairly comparable to if you are running a one-player-a-side PBEM with an accompanying AAR, since you spend some more time doing communications, but less time placing orders and chronicling your moves, since you are only responsible for part of what your side is doing. It is (of course) up to each player how much time and detail he wants to put into the AAR, just like with any other AAR.


I would be interested in one of the CiC roles for either side. Prefer Union if available.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:30 pm

I would like to announce an official change of heart....I'd prefer to run the CiC for Either North of South in the EASTERN theatre. SORRY...and if it CAN'T happen...that's ok.

Just being honest about the preference....;P

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:55 pm

No worries, Banks. You won't get to play more than one role in any case ;)

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock, AndrewKurtz
CiC East: Jabberwock, johnnycai, Banks6060
CiC West: Jabberwock, johnnycai,
Journalist:

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock, (AndrewKurtz)
CiC East: Jabberwock, Banks6060
CiC West: Jabberwock, soloswolf
Journalist:

[color="Purple"]Neutral[/color]
Observer:
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:17 pm

Andrew asked for a CiC role. If he meant a theater CiC, then I see it shaping up like this:

[SIZE="2"][color="Blue"]USA[/color][/size]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: johnnycai/AndrewKurtz
CiC West: johnnycai/AndrewKurtz
Journalist:

[SIZE="2"][color="Gray"]CSA[/color][/size]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: Banks6060
CiC West: soloswolf
Journalist:

[SIZE="2"]German or Swiss[/size]
Observer:

I've simplified to try and show "filled" roles, therefore ignoring some possible combinations. No offense intended to anyone.
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:29 pm

Indeed; mixed up the roles a bit (and probably connected Andrew with his presidential pre-history ;) )

For now, we're just trying to see who might be interested and which roles they might be interested in filling. When push comes to shove, some roles will probably give themselves, while others might need some discussions and sorting out before they become ready :)

To clarify:

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: johnnycai, Banks6060, AndrewKurtz
CiC West: johnnycai, AndrewKurtz
Journalist:

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: Banks6060, (AndrewKurtz)
CiC West: soloswolf, (AndrewKurtz)
Journalist:

[color="Purple"]Neutral[/color]
Observer:
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Looks like I've relegated myself to a presidential role then. :p apy:

I offer profuse apologies in advance to all members of "my team".
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Looks like I'll be in as the Observer. :king:
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Jabberwock wrote:Looks like I've relegated myself to a presidential role then. :p apy:

I offer profuse apologies in advance to all members of "my team".

Anyone interested in being Jabberwock's counterpart?
jimwinsor wrote:Looks like I'll be in as the Observer. :king:


Seeing as no-one had expressed interest in that role yet, I decided to lobby jimwinsor into it. I'm happy I was successful Image

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: johnnycai, Banks6060, AndrewKurtz
CiC West: johnnycai, AndrewKurtz
Journalist:

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: Banks6060, (AndrewKurtz)
CiC West: soloswolf, (AndrewKurtz)
Journalist:

[color="Purple"]Neutral[/color]
Observer: jimwinsor

Any would-be journalists out there? :)
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i want to be a mud-thrower erh journalist.
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Rafiki wrote:Each player's AAR is (for obvious reasons) off-limits to the other players ;)


Will we be allowed to read our own side's newspapers (journalist's account), but not the observer's AAR or the other sides newspapers? Or is there a different plan?
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Newspapers are public, so both sides get to read both newspapers. The oberserver's observations are off-limits to the players and journalists.

DirkX wrote:i want to be a mud-thrower erh journalist.

[color="Blue"]Union[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: johnnycai, Banks6060, AndrewKurtz
CiC West: johnnycai, AndrewKurtz
Journalist: DirkX

[color="Red"]CSA[/color]
President: Jabberwock
CiC East: Banks6060, (AndrewKurtz)
CiC West: soloswolf, (AndrewKurtz)
Journalist: DirkX

[color="Purple"]Neutral[/color]
Observer: jimwinsor
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After looking carefully at the scenario setup, I'd prefer to play Abe over Jeff. I just don't understand how the rebs got in that position, either militarily or economically. :bonk: :tournepas :sourcil:
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Yes, starting in 1862 means the south has already had its back broken in the west to a large degree, so....

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runyan99 wrote:Yes, starting in 1862 means the south has already had its back broken in the west to a large degree, so....

But not more so than can be compensated by an ably led team...? :sourcil:
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