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Gray_Lensman wrote:I ran across a naming anomaly

Within the two 1861 2-player scenarios, there is a brigade contained in the 1st Division called I/3rd BDE commanded by Col. W.T.Sherman.

It's makeup consists of 3 Infantry Rgts, 1 Cavalry Rgt, and 1 Light Artillery unit. The problem is the naming of one of the Infantry Rgts is "3rd Artillery". I am thinking maybe this is supposed to be 3rd New York Rgt, to go along with the other "New York" Infantry Rgts.

Can anyone confirm this?

Should be the "3rd U.S Artillery" Capt R.B Aryes commanding.


bigus

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Third bde under Sherman:

Thirteenth New York.
Sixty-ninth New York.
Seventy-ninth New York.
Second Wisconsin.
Company E, Third U.S. Artillery.

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Yeah I think the game may be getting confused with the 2nd Wisconsin regiment. It later joined the iron bde.

nope not cav

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Well then that bde is wrong too. The 2nd Wisconsin should be in Sherman's bde.

EDIT: just look up any site for the union order of battle at manassas....or even Sherman's battle report...unless it just got attached prior to the battle..
But I guess the easiest fix is to just separate the 69th and 79th.

W.Barksdale wrote:Well then that bde is wrong too. The 2nd Wisconsin should be in Sherman's bde.

But I guess the easiest fix is to just separate the 69th and 79th.

Sorry Gray I thought you were refering to the Art unit.

Yes the second should be in Shermans brigade. I don't recall seeing Cavalry attached. I will check this out later. I got my oob info from Battles and Leaders of the civil war.

I think the reason they combine regiments is to keep the actual strengths to historical levels. if you seperate them I think the SP's of the brigade might increase but not sure on this point.

bigus

Looking at the xls I would say that the game takes the names its given and assigns to first 3 units ie. infantry.Then it fills the vacant spaces from the pool (Sabre Regt and Bates art are always first out of the hat)

From what I remember from playing with the stock mixed brigades this didnt happen before.

I think there is a trick to fill gaps in the brigade so original units are correct.
Shenks Bde should be right but I bet Richardsons has similar problem.

2nd Wisconsin was always on its own for some reason -used to be first call for reinforcements.

Be interesting to see McDowells oob from an unmodded 1.10a with no replacements available.

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W.Barksdale wrote:Third bde under Sherman:

Thirteenth New York.
Sixty-ninth New York.
Seventy-ninth New York.
Second Wisconsin.
Company E, Third U.S. Artillery.

Given the 2nd Wisconsin is seperated the others would fit fine - I think the & in the xls. used to be a | because I still think thats what you had before. Strangely I dont recall any brigade getting reinforcements other than the 2nd Wisconsin.

Making authentic brigades can be tricky because the brigade units dont mirror the real brigades which I think mainly got split up / mustered out after Bull Run just as the CSA brigades were tidied up as well.

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I couldnt find anything on a permanent garrison for Boston which I would have thought would be militia mainly. I dont know if these brigades ever get released for use in the field.

http://www.civilwararchive.com/regim.htm

is great for getting at least the Regt. numbers correct - no 21st Rhode Island it seems.

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These 'events' brigades have their units designated in the relevant events file
Shermans was in 1861 events, 2nd Mass. is in USA Militia but the actual composition is contained in the units file.

There is a disparity between what some brigades are meant to have and what they are set to have.

The Boston brigade is (uni_USA_Bde1CT) which is marked as being (Size 5, reg + 2xcsc + art + art) which ties in with (21st Massachussett|22nd Massachussett|21st Rhode Island|MA Art D Bty|RI Art C Bty) from the militia xls HOWEVER scroll along on UID185 on the unit xls and check the component models and you find 1x reg inf 2x conscript inf 1x art and 1x cav. which is what you actually get.

I think autocomplete has struck at some point and the names the game is given dont fit with the units its being told to select.

Try these to see if they work

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Is it clear whether its the unit names that are wrong or the units?

The first 3 US brigades in the units xls (1CT, 1NY, 1IL) are shown in the note column as having 3 inf regiments (1 reg, 2 conscript) and 2 artillery units.
The actual models and the families on the other hand say 3 inf,1 art 1cav ( and they determine what you actually get).

But which is right and which wrong? The unit names for the 2 brigades you mention imply that at one point at least it was the former that was correct.

There is a similar issue with the uni_CSA_Bde1VA which may be supposed to have 3 inf , 1 s/shooter, 2 art, 1 cav or alternatively 3 inf 1 zouave, 2 art 1 cav. Unfortunately the 2 examples in the April 61 scenario (Longstreets and Cockes bdes) dont really fit with either.

The difference is more art v. cav within the early US divisions and more integral sharpshooters for the CSA.

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